MINUTES OF MEETING TURTLE RUN
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT

A special meeting of the Board of Supervisors of the Turtle Run Community Development District was held on Monday, March 29, 2021 at 6:00 p.m. at the Coral Bay Recreation Center, 3101 South Bay Drive, Margate, Florida 33063.

Present and constituting a quorum:
Chris Kapish	Chairman
Lance Morgan	Vice Chairman
Skip Carney	Assistant Secretary (phone)
Zaida Karnegis	Assistant Secretary
Michael Hohl	Assistant Secretary Also present were:

Dennis Baldis Michael Pawelczyk Jonathan Geiger Jon Zak
Tamara Peacock Cristin Peacock

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS

District Manager District Counsel KCI Technologies Anzco, Inc.
Tamara Peacock Arch Tamara Peacock Arch

Roll Call

Mr. Baldis called the meeting to order and called the roll.

SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS
Mr. Kapish led a moment of silence.

Moment of Silence

THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS	Pledge of Allegiance
Mr. Kapish led the Pledge of Allegiance.

FOURTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Good News
Mr. Kapish: Good news. Does anybody have any good news for us? Zaida? Ms. Karnegis: Nothing new.
Mr. Kapish: Skip, do you have any good news for us?

Mr. Carney was inaudible at this point.
Mr. Kapish: Mike?
Mr. Hohl: No.
Mr. Kapish: Lance, you have anything?
Mr. Morgan: No, I am fine Mr. Chairman thank you.

FIFTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Public Comment
Mr. Kapish: There is nobody here from the public.

SIXTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Update	and	Discussion	of
Projects for the Bonds
Mr. Kapish: Jonathan, do you have those items?
Mr. Geiger: I am going to start with Terrapin today. We had our FOOT comments issued to us on the 11th. They did their inspection. They did issue comments. Some of the things that Florida Blacktop needed to take care of was trash and debris in the median that needed to be removed. There was some excess thermo. Some of the thermoplastic needed to be redone and then there was a requirement for some additional milling and resurfacing. Florida Blacktop is getting with FOOT to see if that requirement could be waived. We don't think it is necessary. In this case he has to get with someone in operations involved. We reached out to the closeout inspector and they told us that unless someone in operations cancelled the requirement, it is a box we have to check as a requirement.
Mr. Kapish: Can you expand on that a little bit and tell us exactly what you are talking about?
Mr. Geiger: The permit for the Sample Road work also includes the work on Terrapin up to the FOOT right-of-way limits. That does include some of the original mill and resurfacing we did along Terrapin. It is well within the right-of-way. When they did the original job, the limits showed us milling up to where the new curb was going to end on Terrapin and Sample up to the bullnose. We weren't going to go into Sample Road. On the one side, that turned out to take up part of the right turn lane off of Sample. When they matched it on the other side, they milled it slightly into the bike lane. By FOOT standard, the minute you touch the road, you have to have to go all four lanes for it. FOOT

is basically requiring us to mill the bike lane and replace from the bike lane back to the curb. Normally it is 50 feet in either direction of the deficiencies, this is a lot less then it normally would have been. It is a little bit of additional area that Florida Blacktop was not prepared to have that done. It is what our plans show but it would be required for FOOT specifications.
Mr. Kapish: Are you saying it is milled and there is no asphalt there? You said they went into it? Do you have a picture of that?
Mr. Geiger: Yes, I do have a picture. I can show you what the guy pointed out to

me.

Mr. Kapish: Just so we are all clear on what this is.
Mr. Geiger: When they milled and resurfaced, that is the bullnose on Terrapin.

You see how they cut into it a little bit. That is now considered a deficiency, so they are being required to mill up to the bike lane. It is about a five-foot section.
Mr. Kapish: Why did they cut this out?
Mr. Geiger: My understanding is when the curbing came out to redo the curbing, the asphalt came out with it. When they take that curb out, they don't always get that clean cut against the asphalt. When he explained it to me, that is what he showed me. I don't know if you want to pass that around. Florida Blacktop is in contact with FOOT trying to get that requirement waived. He is trying to set up a meeting. . As soon as they have more information on that, I can let the Board know what the decision is going to be. Outside of that I am just checking with the City to see if in that median the irrigation was fixed. They did damage the irrigation line. It was unmarked originally. The sod had to go back in and FOOT requires the sod to stay watered until they inspect and everything. It is the only thing we are dealing with making sure the irrigation is good. That was just an email I had to send.
Mr. Kapish : Is the grass growing?
Mr. Geiger: Well there has not been sod put down yet. Mr. Kapish: Ok.
Mr. Geiger: Outside of the Sample Road work at Terrapin we are still waiting to close out Broward County Traffic. I touched base with Florida Blacktop today. They are supposed to be getting back to me with a schedule for the corrections. We did get

comments back at the beginning of this month, so it has been almost four weeks since any action has been taken. I am not sure of the Sample Road stuff because there is thermoplastic that has to get redone. I believe they are trying to wait to do it all at once which if they have to do the milling and resurfacing, they are trying to push that back a little bit. I will follow-up with them to make sure that work is getting completed. That is all I have on Terrapin. Does anybody have any questions?
Mr. Kapish: I thought I noticed a sign that was at Terrapin and Sample that was knocked over a little bit.
Mr. Geiger: The Sample Road and Terrapin Lane one? Mr. Kapish: Yes.
Mr. Geiger: I emailed FOOT about that and asked them when they went out there if they could address that.
Mr. Kapish: I am asking only because since they have demanded all this stuff, I mean I don't know who hit the sign, but I think they should replace it or fix it.
Mr. Geiger: That was something that we requested and let them know that the District has requested that sign be addressed. I do think that someone might have tried to straighten it out a little bit, but I don't think the sign got replaced.
Mr. Kapish: It is still bend over as far as I know.
Mr. Geiger: When I resubmit photos of everything, I can address that again as a reminder and try and get a little bit of action on that. Creekside, we got comments back from Broward County Traffic on the 10th . Those comments indicated if the Board remembers,  there was an issue with some of the thermoplastic.  They had to take it up and the road had become as the inspector said, unravelling where the thermoplastic was sandblasted off. Now it is almost as if there is no asphalt lying there on that top layer. Through the formal inspection, FOOT has determined that the City will need to sign off on the asphalt in this area. Broward County Traffic is not going to accept the pavement markings and signage without the City accepting the asphalt conditions. I met with Chad on the 18th .  He happened to be in the area, I asked if he could meet me out there to get a feel for what the City engineer might require. He basically said the City wasn't going to accept the asphalt the way it was with the unraveling. We have had chunks of gravel coming out in some spots. They would like to see it milled and resurfaced in the areas

that Broward County Traffic indicte.d which was between Turtle Creek Drive and the
entrance to the NW 41s  t  Drive on Creekside southbound . The one thing the City did ask was that no additional asphalt seams were placed which that basically obligates the contractor to mill up to toward where the original seam is. I think Stanford did an eight foot and five-foot mark out. Stanford has requested a meeting with the City, so we are meeting out there with Najla tomorrow and then she is going to ultimately have the say on this. Stanford doesn't want to do the work based on just Chad. They asked for a meeting on that. We will meet with them tomorrow.
Mr. Baldis: So, this fix falls solely on Stanford, is that correct?
Mr. Geiger: Yes, at this point the permit is still in Stanford's name.
Mr. Baldis: This is work that he did that is insufficient. It doesn't come back as a change order for the Board to pay for.
Mr. Geiger: In my opinion, I would not consider a change order because it is his sub that underperformed and caused the issue. I would say in this instance this would be work he would have to correct. If Broward County Traffic didn't say anything the City could have said, we are not going to close the permit out because of the asphalt. That is not going to be on the District obviously , it is going to be on the contractor who hasn't completed the permit given. That is how I feel. I don't think he should be able to come back and ask for more money. He has to recoup that with the sub is the way that I would understand that would go.
Mr. Kapish: Just curious, but how much area are you talking about milling and resurfacing?
Mr. Geiger: 600 linear feet and about 5 and 8 feet wide. Basically half the lane between Turtle Creek Drive and the entrance to Newport.
Mr. Kapish: They would mill that, and they would make a splice in the middle of the
lane.
Mr. Geiger: The seam is already almost in the middle of the lane if you look at it
now. They did a really good job. It doesn't stand out, but that is where the City has indicated they don't want a three-foot patch with a seam and then a three-foot asphalt and then the original seam. Basically, Stanford would come and set his milling machine

where he set it originally and just mill and repair it the way he did it originally. He would just leave the section on the outside.
Mr. Kapish: I thought they had a way of fixing stuff like that where they take a torch and heat up the asphalt and kind of recompact it.
Mr. Geiger: I am not aware of anything like that. Mr. Anzco: You can't do that Chris.
Mr. Kapish: Just asking.
Mr. Geiger: The City's main complaint was basically we are still under permit and the City doesn't want to accept a subpar product.
Mr. Kapish: Of course, I understand, it is a City street.
Mr. Geiger: I agree with the City that I think that the Board should be getting a final product that is desirable and esthetic, not something we had to fix it and we are not going to do it the right way. I am getting with Stanford. Does the Board want a representative out there?
Mr. Kapish: Well, we expect that if you meet with them and I guess that includes Dennis, I would imagine that you will do what is in the best interest of this Board. We are paying for it; the taxpayers are paying for it. You would do what is in the best interest of the taxpayers paying the bill.
Mr. Geiger: Ok. Once that is all done, then another round of inspections with Broward County Traffic. Does anybody have any questions on Creekside? The last project we have on here is the brick pavers on Turtle Run Boulevard and Sample. I have walked through a couple of times and every time I go out there, there might be one or two pavers that look like they need to be addressed. The last time I was out there I didn't see any white or yellow pavers that were cracked.
Mr. Kapish: Dennis and I met with Stanford last week and we addressed the issues. The one thing that he didn't do that he said he was going to do was put a collar on the water valve that is in the middle of the street. The way they have it right now, they have the pavers sticking up above the collar. It really wasn't a good job the way they cut the pavers. Every time a car hits it, it is going to damage it. It is set up for failure. I don't know if that has been done.

Mr. Geiger: It has. They had to straighten that valve out actually. I don't know if you saw it before, but it was crooked so that is now level and straightened out and they have poured about of foot of concrete around the edge in every direction.
Mr. Kapish: That is good. The other thing was that there was a couple of pavers, white and a couple of the regular pavers that were cracked, broken or chipped. There wasn't very many, just a few but I pointed them out to them. I know that they know they are there, but I don't know me going back physically inspecting it, I don't know if they did it. Dennis, do we know if they did it?
Mr. Baldis: I don't know if they replaced those ones that we looked at when we were there.
Mr. Kapish: I think we might have to reinspect them.
Mr. Geiger: I figured before the last payment on that there would be a final inspection because at some point, we have to walk it and that has to be the ok we are good with it. He has to call on his finals with the City and everything. I would suggest letting him get the City's final and then just don't pay him the retainage until all the pavers are addressed. Anything I guess is warrantied but not going to hold up him getting paid for the work and everything.
Mr. Kapish: What do you guys think of the drive and the pavers? Do you think it's smoother or an improvement?
Mr. Hohl: Yes it seems to be improved.
Mr. Kapish: Does it seem like it is a tight road?
Mr. Morgan: It should be. It should be much better than it was.
Mr. Kapish: If there are any deficiencies you guys see, please bring it forward and let Dennis know so they can be addressed.
Mr. Geiger: One of the things that was originally discussed out in the field was re­ sanding. Is that still something?
Mr. Kapish: Resanding?
Mr. Geiger: I know they did spread the additional sand they had left on the one
side.
Mr. Kapish: I didn't think they did a real hot job doing that. I think what they did is
they basically threw some sand on there and they brushed it in. My concept was to throw

it in there and leave it on top a little bit and let it work itself in naturally because cars are going to push it in or rain. It seems like some of the areas where they pulled up the pavers there is actually very little sand. The sand that is going to end up in the middle and the edges are not really where it is supposed to be. I think they really need to dump another pound of sand there and just smooth it out to the point where cars can drive over it, but do not brush it into the point where there is no sand there anymore. Let the sand work itself in naturally, especially when we have rainy season coming up in May. It is going to start pouring and everything and you want that sand to be tight because that is what is going to stop them from moving.
Mr. Geiger: I can talk to Stanford about that. The only thing he has left as far as punch list items is some thermoplastic he has to touch up. I saw one area of pavers near where the header curbs are that he said he would keep an eye on to see if those were going to settle or he is going to have to address it. One thing on the plans that Stanford did not install, and I am not sure what the Board's feeling is on this, but it is the RPM's. The original pavers were supposed to be reflective. Now with these pavers only being colored pavers not reflective pavers, the RPM's are on the plans. It is something Stanford did not have priced out on the original contract. Is the RPM's desirable to the Board given that the white and yellow are not reflective? It would give you the white and red RPM's every 40 foot on the center at least where you have the divided lane.
Mr. Kapish: We didn't have RPM's on every fork.
Mr. Geiger: You did have RPM's on every fork. They were there. Stanford said the same thing and I had to show him pictures.
Mr. Kapish : I guess some of them have gotten off because I don't remember seeing them.
Mr. Geiger: They were there as early as when Stanford started demoing because I have pictures.
Mr. Kapish: Do you have pictures with you? Mr. Geiger: It is on my work computer.
Mr. Kapish: Is that part of the project? Mr. Geiger: It is on the plans.
Mr. Kapish: So they are to put them in? He is supposed to be putting them in.

Mr. Geiger: He is supposed to. He told me it was not part of the price of his proposal. I wanted to talk to the Board and see if you guys want the RPM's or if the City is going to be fine without them.
Mr. Baldis: What does he mean, if it is on the plan. Is it a change order or is he going to include it on this plan? Why is it our responsibility if he didn't put something in his plan?
Mr. Geiger: That what was my argument, that it was part of the plan. Mr. Baldis: Tell him to call me.
Mr. Kapish: That is the answer. Have him call Dennis.
Mr. Geiger: I guess what I am getting out though is do we want the RPM's? I don't know if the City is going to require them.
Mr. Baldis: Have him call me.
Mr. Kapish: That is what we pay a property manager for, to handle that kind of
item.
Mr. Geiger: Outside of those projects, the signpost stuff, Horsepower has gotten a
package for the permit plans that we sent them. We sent the plans on the 18th, they got them on the 22nd. That is for Phase 1 of Turtle Run Boulevard and Creekside Drive, the 15 poles they have. Subsequent plan sets have been revised to remove those poles so whenever we go for permitting on the other stuff, that is ready to go as well.
Mr. Kapish: Are you saying we are getting some street sign poles put in by Horsepower?
Mr. Baldis: It is going to be on the next agenda. I have been working with Mainnor and Horsepower on their pricing. They dropped their pricing down like we talked about having the poles delivered to the FPL easement which was a huge cost for them to load them and bring them over, you know moving them twice. I am working on negotiating to have them put in all the poles for a price that is reasonable with what anyone else has given us. It is within $2,000 of the lowest pricing. I am kind of in favor of Horsepower doing that because they are familiar with doing it. They have done it several times. The other person has never done it for us. Part of the issue that I am concerned about is you have 6 to 8 pallets of signage and the lowest contractor, the lowest price I got from a contractor where they don't have room to store those on their property. They want to

leave them out on the FPL easement. I am not real comfortable having signs and poles out there. It is going to be enough with 93 poles sitting out there let alone pallets of signs where Horsepower would keep the signs on their property and bring them out as they need them to install as they went along. I was going to present that at the next meeting. I have the contract for Horsepower that was approved two meetings ago, maybe three by now. If they get to install the poles, they are lowering their price on that also which brings them down close to the lowest proposal.   It is only a couple thousand dollars. I was going to ask the Board at the next meeting to authorize the purchase of all signage and move forward with putting it in everywhere. It has been approved everywhere now. That was going to be on the agenda the next go around.
Mr. Kapish: Sounds good.
Mr. Geiger: They are still doing the fifteen?
Mr. Baldis: They are not doing the fifteen right now because if the Board decides to give them the other signs, they are lowering their price on that. I would have to go to Mike. Their contract is going to change.
Mr. Geiger: I guess my question is that is going to be a different phase from the
rest?
Mr. Baldis: I am not micromanaging how they are going to put them in. I would
assume that is what they would do since they have them sitting there.
Mr. Pawelczyk: We could just take the existing agreement and change the price point with the new proposal and then have a separate agreement for the remaining poles.
Mr. Baldis: I will send to everybody before the next meeting.
Mr. Geiger: Outside of the signposts stuff, the last thing I have is Forest Glen. At the last meeting the Board asked for us to reach back out to the School Board to try to get the wall moved to solely on School Board property. We sent an email and called our contact person over there right after the meeting the next day. We had to follow up today. They still not have had a meeting on that. The person that we are in contact with, Amy Schmidt, basically said that all she can do is pass the information onto the reviewers and the people making the decisions. They haven't had a meeting on it. That meeting is scheduled this week so we will follow up by the end of this week to see if there have been

any decisions as to which way those discussions went.	She said they had no new information for us at this point.  It is going to have to wait for the meeting.
Mr. Kapish: Ok.
Mr. Geiger: That is actually all that I have as far as I have for the bond projects.
Mr. Kapish: Anybody have any questions for Jonathan about anything he has talked about?
Mr. Morgan: No.
Mr. Kapish: Ok. We are going to move onto the discussion on the monument signs leak repair with Tamara Peacock.
Discussion of Monument Signs Leak Repair - T. Peacock
Cap and stone will have to be removed from the middle wall
All masonry cells need to be filled
Straight hydraulic cement will need to be spread across all seams in the wall. The cold joint will also need to receive hydraulic cement 4 inches in each direction (horizontally and vertically)
Bond coat will need to be applied
True portland cement with no sand applied to the wall for waterproofing (both sides)
Cap and stone can be reinstalled
Ms. Tamara Peacock: From the last meeting you remember that we discussed me going to different pool people and talking to the leak testing company to be very specific about exactly what was leaking, how much and how you test it and all those things. I did send a few emails over the last couple of weeks. In describing the leak, I guess the positive thing is that it is not a tremendous massive gushing leak. He did take out for the evaporation. He did test them both separately, so it is the upper pool. It doesn't leak when the lower pool is full. These are things we know. The leak is coming from the top of the intermediate wall. It is coming from under the cap and behind the stone. Although not only just for a leak, but the other pool companies I talked to don't like the cold joint. The cold joint at this point isn't the source of the leak.
Mr. Kapish: Is not the source of the leak?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: It is not the source of the leak; it is coming from the top of the wall down under. The way that the waterproofing was done is it is a monolithic pour. The whole slab is a monolithic pour. The wall sits on that slab. The reason that it can go through to the bottom of the wall is because that slab is not waterproofed. The cap

underneath is not is waterproofed to the stone and behind is not waterproofed. The fix, and it is outlined in your agenda, are to take the cap off, to take the stone off and then to apply the cement mixture without sand which I talked to two different pool companies. I tried to go to Urdl, the one that Florida Leak recommended . I called them several times and they didn't return my phone calls. It took me several days just to figure out to spell their name which Urdl.
Mr. Morgan: Is that the place up in Palm Beach? Ms. Tamara Peacock: Yes.
Mr. Morgan: I think they are out of business. Ms. Tamara Peacock: I did talk to somebody.
Mr. Morgan: There might be a pool division but the place up off of whatever road that is closed.
Mr. Kapish: They used to sell fake stones and stuff like that. I don't know that they did anything with pools, but they basically installed ponds.
Ms. Tamara Peacock : That might explain why. I wasn't getting anywhere with them, so I went to these two other pool companies that I named in one of my emails which is Brian McCallum with Watermark and then other guy is JT's Custom Pools, a guy named Jason. I had two projects with the Watermark people, two other projects so he returns my calls because I already have business going on with him. The other company was the son-in-law of a client that I have that recommended them. If you guys want me to go to other people where there is somebody in the neighborhood or somebody that would take a more personal interest, I am completely fine with that. I did send though four sheets of drawings each to get prices for the outlined work as I described to you.   It would be to take the cement mixture, they wanted the hydraulic concrete on the cold joint just because they feel that there is an added value to it because overtime with expansion and contraction since that is a long narrow wall that it might have an issue with the cold joints since there is not waterproofing under that wall. The strategy was given to me by one of them and then two other people confirmed that this is a good strategy. The estimate that he gave me was around $16,000. A few thousand of that is the cap removal and the stone removal and reinstallation. The people have to actually come out and look at the site condition and give us a written quote but it is my recommendation that we proceed with

that additional waterproofing on the cold joint and up the wall and that we go under that cap and behind the stone. Jon and I spoke. Do you want to add anything to that Jon?
Mr. Anzco: You explained everything that you need to do.  To be honest with you I have done everything I need to do.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: It really needs to be done by pool contractors.
Mr. Zac: Pulling those caps off number one is going to be a chore. Number 2, you are going to destroy a lot of planting out there, landscaping and everything to get it off. That is just my feeling. There are two slabs.  The first slab supports the walls and there is a secondary slab which is put on a sand base because that is where you have your plumbing and everything. There are two slabs there.
Mr. Zac was inaudible at this time.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: It seems to me and the position that we are in, that it would be good to have a licensed pool contractor be responsible to warrant the waterproofing, to come out periodically and follow up with the maintenance people so that you have a system that is reliable but that you know and a person outside that is accountable for that. It seems like a good way to go. That is how I would like to proceed to do that. I think Jon would like to close out the work that he has in his agreement and get it closed out.
Mr. Zac: Just to give you an idea, I just got a $2,600 water bill from that weekend that it was flooding over the top.
Mr. Kapish : A $2,600 water bill? Mr. Zac: Yes, from Coral Springs.
Mr. Morgan: When it was doing what?
Mr. Zac: When the fountains were running over that weekend and they were running all over everything else.
Mr. Kapish: It was all leaking out.
Mr. Zac: It was running over the top. It didn't leak. It was running over the top if you remember.
Mr. Baldis: That has nothing to do with, that happened. I want to know why this
wasn't waterproofed in the original design and why is the original design failing and now we have to do something now?

Ms. Tamara Peacock: It was called out on the fountain shop drawings to be waterproofed under the cap and behind the stone. It is on the drawings I sent you,  if you look at the email with the drawings.
Mr. Baldis: I am just going on what has been said in this meeting previously and it was said that Jon did everything the way it was designed on the plans and now you are saying it didn't.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: I am not trying to point fingers.
Mr. Baldis: I am just trying to understand how we got to where we are at because it was stated that he did do it correctly and now you are saying it wasn't done correctly. There is a difference there.
Mr. Zac: I have pictures of when we pulled the caps and actually put down the waterproofing up on top. I have taken those caps off how many times. Did you not see me do that?
Mr. Kapish: I have seen him take it off and put it on myself at least five times.
Mr. Zac: It probably cost me $20,000 to $25,000, I just want to get out of it. The pool company I think would be a very smart move because you guys are looking at this little leak. There is a lot of expensive equipment sitting in there needing to be maintained and I find this pool contractor that does your backyard pools are not capable of doing these in these fountains.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: That is true.
Mr. Zac: Fountains are like an annuity fund to Hall Fountainss and people like that. They just keep you having to replace this and replace that if it is not properly maintained.
Mr. Morgan: Jon, when you take off the caps, there is one wall that is the wall we have identified as possibly the problem.
Mr. Zac: That is what they are saying, yes.
Mr. Morgan: When you take of those caps, that wall that holds the caps, what does it look like inside there? Is it hollow?
Mr. Zac: It is filled with concrete.
Mr. Morgan: So it is all filled with concrete.

Mr. Zac: It is filled with concrete and then it has Sakrite product on top that is waterproofing. You have to understand something Lance, you can't just lay that stone of block. You have to level it out. We did put filler in there.
Mr. Morgan: If we pull the caps off, we are going to see total concrete all the way across.
Mr. Zac: Yes.
Mr. Morgan: So we are going to have to waterproof both outsides again and the top and put the caps back on?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: That is what they are saying.
Mr. Morgan: You are going to make some type of solution; it is not going to be like some liquid?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: They are saying that concrete to concrete is better, that is why they are saying to mix this cement without sand.
Mr. Morgan: For lack of a better term, something like marcasite that is waterproof or whatever.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: I think that the answer here is to get them to give you written
bids., select the person. They are telling me it is about two weeks to mobilize and a week to do the work. He wants to test it, fill the top fountain, see if this wall gets damp and they want to do some things before they just shoot off and say that it is done and put the cap and stone back on. They are going to test.
Mr. Morgan:  But in your opinion at this point without doing the testing, they think it is the upper fountain?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: They know that.
Mr. Morgan: My question would be the upper fountain has been drained now for probably a month and there is still seepage coming out. I know that could be residue or remnants of water in the pipes or something. How are we still having leakage there?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: The tech said that he filled that lower pool.
Mr. Morgan: I was out there this weekend, Sunday not three or four weeks ago, but I was there yesterday and there is seepage coming out and there is no water in the top fountain. There is only water in the lower reservoir. I am just trying to make sure. If

what they are saying is accurate, and I am hoping it is because we just want to get this resolved , how it is still having seepage if the top fountain has been drained for a month?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: He said there are spots behind the stone.
Mr. Morgan: So it is probably wise to remove that stone and waterproof behind it.
That is possible.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: That is what they are recommending.
Mr. Hohl: The original design in my understanding is the water was supposed to come over the top of the highest wall where the letters are and cascade down. Then more water was supposed to come over that intermediate wall into the lower pool? So now we know that we can't do the higher cascade that has been cut off and we put jets in there to push water up in the top pool. What is the purpose of the lower pool at this time?
Mr. Zac: The water is still going to go over the top, it has to flow into something . The system is set up for where the water flows into the lower pool and then it takes the water and recirculates. That bottom pool is also regulating the water, so you don't have what we had where you pump out 50,000 gallons of water on the weekends. What happened was the one down below got blocked up with debris and it didn't know any better and kept running water. You need to have that bottom so it can control your water flow. It will adjust it accordingly too so when it starts getting too low and you don't want to burn your motors out, that allows you to keep a flow going through there.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: It is important to get a maintenance company that knows these types of fountains when this initial water leaking completed. We need to be sure that the follow up that the person who does the water proofing is communication with the person who is going to do the maintenance.  They told me things like if you leave it empty for too long it could crack it.
Mr. Zac: It is a special design because of the fact that it is actually two pools of water. You have a more sophisticated of a system where one has to feed another to keep it working and pump it back up. The piping underneath there is very complicated. You burn a motor out; you are looking at $5,000.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: I think on top of getting this person to get this specific work done, we need to make sure it is coordinated and continued through so you don't get the

big water bills and lose a warranty on a product because it has been dried out. The follow­ up is going to be important and it is going to be one of those things to keep it right, it is going to take some attention.
Mr. Kapish: Do we have an architectural plan drawing or something that all this stuff is incorporated in so that we can see it?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: The person that does the work would normally do a shop drawing for us to review. Again pools are a very specialized thing and you would really need to let them do what they do.
Mr. Kapish: So what pool company is doing this?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: The two that I told you are interested in the job. They are both commercial pool people. I don't have another company so if you have third bidder or somebody.
Mr. Kapish: We could Google pool companies all night long.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: I tried calling people, but like you said Jon, it is very specific.
Mr. Kapish: That really needs to come from you guys, not from the Board because we are waiting to turn the fountain on so until that happens, everything that is being done has to be done by you guys. It is up to you what happens. Hopefully whatever you guys do works. I don't know. We want to try to do this on a logical section of order. I guess what I am asking for is, we have an outline here but that is all that we have is an outline. Again, what pool companies are we talking about that is doing this?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: I gave you the two names, Watermark Pools and JT's Custom Pools.
Mr. Kapish: The plan is to have them both look at it, is that what you are saying? Mr. Pawelczyk : No. What she said is if the Board wants to move forward with this,
she will go get prices from both of those with formal proposals and bring them back to the Board, right?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: Yes, that is what I was saying and if you wanted a third one, then you could give me a third person.
Mr. Pawelczyk: She also said that in order get those prices, those contractors would need to do a site visit in order to prepare a proposal.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: Right, exactly.

Mr. Kapish: Ok, so are they going to go out there and do all this for free, or is there a charge that they are going to charge to do all this?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: I don't know about Jason at JT's, but I know that Brian McCallum, the one I talked to, because I was going to get the price today so that I could bring it with me. I know you guys are anxious to get it a functioning system out there. If I could have brought it, I would have.
Mr. Kapish: They are going to give you, let's just say for purposes of a discussion, Watermark goes out there and examines it. They are going to give you an itemized proposal and they are going to give you a drawing or some type of architectural drawing?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: Yes, exactly. They may draw on top of the drawings I gave them. That is what a lot of subcontractors do.
Mr. Kapish : That pool company will be doing all of the work? Ms. Tamara Peacock: Yes.
Mr. Kapish : So, they are going to pull off the beam and take all the stone off and they are going to do all that stuff?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: Yes, that is why he said he had to look at it.
Mr. Kapish: They are going to do whatever they are supposed to do and then they are going to put all the stone back?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: They are going to test it first. They are going to do the waterproofing and then they are going to test it again. Then if it doesn't leak, then they will put the cap and stone back on.
Mr. Kapish: It is going to look exactly like it looks now except it would be fixed. Ms. Tamara Peacock: Exactly.
Mr. Kapish: You mentioned this hydraulic cement, how does that come into play?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: It is an additional barrier, so we don't have any maintenance in the future.
Mr. Kapish: Then the whole pool is sealed with three or four different types of sealers. Are you going to put hydraulic cement over the top of those sealers?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: I would imagine that is another thing that he is going to need to look at.
Mr. Kapish: He is going to have to remove those sealers.

Ms. Tamara Peacock: Because if you have to prep the surface before any of these products are applied, and Jon knows this because he has talked about it.
Mr. Zac: You can grind those. He wouldn't take it all off either Chris. He is worried about the top; he is not worried about the sides.
Mr. Kapish: Ok, what about the pool equipment that is in there, like the pipes? Ms. Tamara Peacock: It shouldn't affect that because it is all surface.
Mr. Kapish: I think you can move what is there, what I am saying to protect that stuff, does that involve Hall temporarily taking it out?
Mr. Zac: There is no need for that. This is what they do, they should be able to figure it out.
Mr. Kapish: You are deciding between which one to come out there and do this? Ms. Tamara Peacock: I was going to give you proposals from both of them.
Mr. Kapish: Is it possible that after you get that, and I don't know if that is going to be done by the next meeting?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: Oh yeah, I was hoping I would have had it.  I wasn't sure if I should do that and Dennis said yes, get proposals.
Mr. Kapish: This pool person, whoever does this would be coming to the meeting and explaining exactly what is going to be done to the pool?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: I think that is what we do, bring them in and they can tell you exactly what they are going to do.
Mr. Morgan: When the people come out to inspect or review the scope of work and what is possibly going on out there, would it be better in your opinion, and Jon this is for you too, would it be better for both fountains to be filled and running so they can see the totality of how much water is pouring out, or should we leave it the way it is right now with one pool filled and the upper pool empty?
Mr. Zac: Just fill them up and don't run them ok. That is what I would do. Running is just going to confuse more of the issue than anything else.
Mr. Morgan: The water that is seeping out is not a whole lot to begin with. It is less than an inch or something. Dennis what did the guy tell you?
Mr. Baldis: ¼ of inch.

Mr. Morgan: It is a tiny amount. To me, I say it is more like seepage, not a leak. It is not a leak in the wall like the little boy plugs his finger in the wall and the leak stops. It is more seepage coming out. That is why it tells me that it is a bigger problem and there is seepage all the way around which tells me it is a bigger problem. That is just my conclusion from what I have seen.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: It goes through the bottom of that wall. That wall is 25 feet
long.
Mr. Morgan: I think we should fill, and this is just my opinion, I think we should fill
up both pools. Have the pool guy come out and clean out any debris, fill them up and get them running again and let's start so when they come out, they can see the full amount of leakage that we do have. It could change their opinion. It could change a lot of things. Let's get it up to standard, run our system and let them come out and judge it and then they can turn off everything and then judge it again.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: Ok.
Mr. Zac: Get them all cleaned out and everything else and I will just turn them on.
Mr. Baldis: We have been keeping it up. The porter, he has a little scoop that every day he gets the leaves out.
Mr. Morgan: Can we do that tomorrow Dennis? Mr. Zac: I can have them turn them on tomorrow.
Mr. Kapish: I agree. I think it is an excellent idea. Make sure he pours chlorine in it, so it doesn't turn moldy and get it running.
Mr. Morgan: Even at the height of the leakage when we first started spotting the leakage, the jets were running, and everything was happening. It wasn't like hundreds of gallons of water we were losing a day there except for that one incident you had. The pool guy confirmed that by saying you are losing ¼ inch a day with his test. It is not like we are losing so much water that it is going to hurt the fountain. We are having the seepage either way.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: It is not going to hurt it .
Mr. Morgan: I think we do that if you think that is a good idea. Mr. Kapish: It is still seeping right now.

idea.

Mr. Morgan: A lesser amount because there is less water, but I think that is a good

Mr. Zac: We will fill it up tomorrow. I am happy to do it.
Ms. Tamara Peacock:	I will call the companies and schedule time for them to

come by and then I will email everybody when they are going to come.
Mr. Morgan: Then they can see how bad it is and see everything and we move forward. If they need to turn off the system and they want to come back the next day.
Mr. Kapish: I think that is the best way to look at it and I am not even a pool guy. Mr. Baldis: Can you please let me know when they are coming?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: Yes.
Mr. Morgan: And also, we can enjoy our fountains while they are leaking.
Mr. Kapish: Jon, let me ask this, this is aside from the leakage,	the lighting underneath them, I know that we talked about taking those and dimming those a little bit.
Mr. Zac: I gave you a cost to do that.
Mr. Kapish: Was any of them dimmed or are they both the full-blown light? Mr. Zac: Full blown. There are no dimmers on them right now.
Mr. Kapish: I don't know what the cost was?
Mr. Zac: I gave it to Dennis. You were holding off in case you guys wanted to change them out. $1,490 to install two dimmers.
Mr. Kapish: Ok. Well we will deal with that if and when this leakage is ever fixed.
Mr. Zac: Ok. I would like to close it out and turn it over to you guys.  I will start it up again and keep going with it, but I really don't want to pay a water bill in case something happens.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: Doesn't your permit expire because you have six months without an inspection?
Mr. Zac: I updated it when I did an inspection.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: Oh ok.
Mr. Zac: My permit is good till June. I did a revision for Hall Fountains if you remember when we changed it to the jets. I have been keeping it going. Anything else guys?
Mr. Kapish : Does anybody have any questions for Jon?

Mr. Baldis: I just want to make sure I am clear. Are we closing Jon's contract for now? I think that is what he was asking.
Mr. Kapish: I know that is what he was asking. I don't know, I think the Board needs to discuss that matter.
Mr. Zac: Here is what I am asking Chris. I need to get this paperwork in case from KCI and everything else. I have a few weeks before I can get surveys in and approvals for everything else.
Mr. Kapish: We are not here to drag it out. Mr. Zac: I understand that.
Mr. Kapish: When you said close out, I didn't know if you meant right now tonight. Mr. Zac: No.  I would like to close out it for my bond too.
Mr. Kapish: I understand. We will work on that. Mr. Zac: Thanks guys.
Mr. Kapish: Do you have anything else to add or no? You guys done?
Ms. Tamara Peacock: No we are good. I saw on the agenda that there was refurbishing of the other signs or something.
Mr. Kapish : Let me ask you this, which is different from the pool, we have an architectural drawing that you guys have provided for the other signs. I pulled these out so they can see them, but did you provide an actual construction drawing for them?
Ms. Cristin Peacock: We put together all the DRC packages for them with the planning department.
Mr. Kapish: A set of plans to construct the wall.
Ms. Cristin Peacock: The only thing you are missing I believe is your engineering.
Mr. Kapish: Other than that they are a complete set. Are they the same for all the entrances?
Ms. Cristin Peacock: Some of them vary a little bit based on the site. There are some locations that they weren't the same dimensions so we had to alter it but there is only a couple of sites.
Mr. Kapish: Ok. Thank you very much.
Mr. Morgan: I think we are on the right track.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: Yes, I think we are getting closer.

Ms. Cristin Peacock: Thank you.
Mr. Kapish: Any discussion about what they just talked about? Anything that needs to be discussed? Questions about it?
Mr. Morgan: I just had a question for you or Dennis. Did you ask the cost and who would pay for that from them? I didn't get a clear answer on that.
Ms. Tamara Peacock: She is going to get a cost.
Mr. Morgan: Dennis, you didn't get a clear answer on that, did you?
Mr. Baldis: I have been trying to go there and it gets sidetracked about a water bill. No there wasn't anything clear. I want to remind the Board of this, the water feature like he describes started as a waterfall. The Board has already paid $13,000 for those jets for the water feature that didn't work on top, now their design which didn't work, now this design isn't working and tonight for the first time she implied he didn't do it correctly. I am wondering where it ends.
Mr. Morgan: Let's just talk about Jon Zac for a second. Dennis, is it your opinion that Jon Zac did everything right as per the contract and build as per the permit and as per how it was instructed to be built by the engineers?
Mr. Baldis: That is my understanding, he never had an issue with permitting people coming to look at it. Tamara stated in these meetings that he built it according to her design. She stated that.
Mr. Morgan: Let me ask Jonathan this. You are an engineer. You know a lot more about this then me. When Jon Zac got the plans, he would have had to build it per the plans and per the City inspecting it and all that, correct?
Mr. Geiger: Yes. The inspectors would come out and look at the plans. Mr. Morgan: That would be your opinion.
Mr. Geiger: Yes. If he was getting checks on his inspections and someone is looking at it and says ok, it matches what was built, especially if Tamara Peacock was doing site inspections .
Mr. Morgan: If you were hypothetically reviewing this for us, you would say Jon Zac did what? Everything correct for the most part if he got all those check marks on the permitting, everything and built it per plans?

Mr. Geiger: If I was looking at it objectively from the outside and someone said here is the permit card with checked off inspections, without any other context or any other documentation, I would have to assume that he did it correctly because the City has now signed off on it.
Mr. Morgan: Unless he had shoddy work. If one was leaking and one wasn't leaking, then you could say there is shoddy work maybe on one or they didn't tap the concrete down or they left an air pocket, or something went wrong in this one. Since they are both leaking identically, it has to be the same problem in both of them. Is that logical Jonathan?
Mr. Geiger: In all the dealings with this, my feeling is like you said, they're not leaking on this wall and one on a different side of the wall. It is the same spot; it has been identified as the same issue. I would believe that it would be either something in the design or something that might not have been constructed correctly. For them to do it twice incorrectly or miss something twice, I get where you are going with it being more of a design flaw versus a construction issue.
Mr. Kapish: They are both built the same. They are not a different set of plans. Like it was said, seepage or whatever you want to call it is all around the edge or the bottom of the wall. That to me is worse than just a leak that is in one spot. That means it is all over the whole thing and not just in a spot where you are finding a leak.
Mr. Morgan: Tamara Peacock said that wall is 25 feet in length. That allows that seepage to come down and come out along the wall.
Mr. Kapish: To me that is worse than one crack in a pool where you know where the pool leak is at. When you have something that is all around the edge, let's just say your pool is leaking all around the edge of the wall versus one little spot by the drain or by the intake or whatever.
Mr. Morgan: Why I am drilling down into this is because I understand Jon Zac's position. He said I have done everything.
Mr. Kapish: Yes, he is done.
Mr. Morgan: And I have done it per the engineering plans and all that and I guess he wants to close it out and be done with this project. How much money do we owe him Dennis?

Mr. Baldis: About $50,000.
Mr. Morgan: He wants to get away from this thing and absorb no expenses. In the real-world, time is money, you can ask Mike Pawelczyk that. If he wants to get released, I don't know how we go about doing that, but he wants to wash his hands with it. I built it correctly, I want out of this.
Mr. Pawelczyk: I don't know if there is more to discuss at our meeting tonight about this, but maybe certain conversations should be held between Board members and staff individually. I think it is important to point out that if this were to go into litigation and we are going to argue that there is a design error or construction error, it is not for Supervisors or lawyers to say one way or the other whether it is a design error or not. You have to have experts come in and analyze the plans to make that determination. As you know it is extremely costly. We did ask Tamara who is going to pay because I asked Dennis who is paying for this. Who is paying for the corrected work? The response that Dennis got was a credit can be negotiated with the removal and reinstallation of the cap and stone since no waterproofing was originally installed. The additional waterproofing represents added value and that is supplemental to waterproofing originally specified.
Mr. Kapish: I read that to Mike.
Mr. Pawelczyk: I don't know what that means. Mr. Morgan: Who wrote that email?
Mr. Pawelczyk: Tamara.
Mr. Morgan: I like how Tamara says what we can do with another entity by the name of Jon Zac. She is taking a lot for granted there, a third party can say this Board can negotiate a credit with another party leaving her out of it. It was kind of artfully worded. I spotted that myself and that is ridiculous. Is she a mind reader what we can do with Jon lac?
Mr. Kapish: Jon Zac has no intention of redoing what he already did. I guess if I
were him, I wouldn't do that either unless somebody was going to pay me for it. I don't think that we are here to pay somebody to do something twice when it wasn't done right the first time.

Mr. Morgan: Let me ask you a question Chris, the original overflow was supposed to come out of the top and come down across the letters or behind the letters. That didn't work. So that was a design flaw. That is one design flaw. Who paid for that remedy?
Mr. Kapish: We did.
Mr. Morgan: $13,000, right? Was that per fountain or total? Mr. Baldis: Total.
Mr. Morgan: We ate that design flaw. Mr. Kapish: And we shouldn't have.
Mr. Morgan: Now there is another design flaw where the fountains are leaking. If they are built properly, and I am assuming they did based on what we do know as far as Jon Zac being a certified contractor, checking off the boxes and having them apparently being inspected by the City. You can determine that through reviewing the work right, or some expert could?
Mr. Geiger: Yeah. I think I will caution the Board with when these inspections are called, they are not seeing everything normally so this might not have been something the inspector necessarily had a chance to look at. From the email Mike just read Tamara indicated that he did do the waterproofing. Is that what I just heard with that?
Mr. Pawelczyk: It is hard to understand.
Mr. Baldis: Her email, and tonight she changed what she had previously said, completely changed what she said so what does that tell you?
Ms. Karnegis: In previous conversations though he did say before when we asked about, well why in a pool you don't have this problem. Before he did say, well, it wasn't built that way as it should have. He said it wasn't built like a pool would have. When he was saying that, the way I took it that he thought it should have been built differently but he wasn't going to say anything. He just followed whatever plans.
Mr. Pawelczyk: This isn't the forum for this.  A contractor, if he knows something is done wrong on the plans has a duty to point that flaw out to the owner and the architect. He has a duty to do it. That is why I am saying we don't have all the information. You guys are in a tough position because do we pay the $13,000, or do we pursue it otherwise? It is a very costly and time consuming.

Mr. Hohl: How was this bid out? Was this bid out as a design build or management at risk?
Mr. Pawelczyk: It was bid out construction, straight bid? Mr. Kapish : Lowest bid.
Mr. Pawelczyk: Lowest most responsive bidder.
Mr. Hohl: Their contractor simply follows the design. I heard the architect , exactly what Dennis heard, that he followed everything according to plans. In fact he had already fixed it once based upon discussion between him and his subcontractors and the architect and it still didn't work. What she said tonight was that we really need to get a pool contractor to fix this so that it is done right. To me it just sounds like the design was wrong from the beginning and that is why we are having a problem. If we pay someone to design a feature for us and it doesn't do what it was designed to do, how is that on us?
Mr. Kapish: It is not. They sealed it according to what she requested to be done. She was out there inspecting it herself. I don't know how many days or time that she was out there, but she was out there looking at the construction or she should have been. If you want to make sure that your architectural design is being followed, I would think that I would go out there and be checking it or have somebody be checking it for me. At this moment in time, like Mike said, we don't know all the facts. He says one thing and she says another. I don't know. We are not paying for whatever is going to be done. Whatever proposal they bring to the next meeting, the question will have to be asked who is going to pay for this? She is going to have to have an answer.
Mr. Hohl: We have already paid for a fix to a design that didn't work when it came to the top cascade. You can't ask us to pay for another fix to a design that is not working. Mr. Kapish: We paid for it in the spirit of trying to have a quick fix I think, and we shouldn't have. It should have been paid for by her or whatever, but not by us. We paid for a fountain and it is supposed to work. It is just like when you buy a car, you are supposed to get in it, turn the key on and get in and drive away. If the car doesn't drive, then there is a problem. The only thing that we can do at this point is to wait and see next
meeting and see what they have.

Mr. Morgan: The other thing by fixing it with the water sealer or whatever, how long of a fix is that? Everything has a shelf life. This might be something we deal with for a long time. I don't know. We need to get it up and running.
Mr. Kapish: That is why I say if you can fix something, but the fix can be different levels. I had a toilet that broke, it cracked. I fixed it with Flexseal. The spray and the tape, and it stopped the toilet from leaking but that wasn't a permanent fix. Eventually that would give way and the tank would probably crack and fall apart so I bought a new toilet. Just because you fix the leak, did you really fix it. That is what we really need to look at. Whatever is brought forward to this Board, is it really a long-term fix. With everything there is maintenance. You have a pool that someday you are going to rip out the tile and the coping and redo the Diamond-Brite and stuff like that. It is part of maintenance. It is a typical makeover of a pool. People do it probably once every twelve years or so. Some people never do it for 20 years and all the sudden, all their Marscite and their Diamond-Brite is coming off the bottom of the pool.
Mr. Hohl: I think that is something we need to consider. Mike, you talked about the cost of taking people to task.
Mr. Pawelczyk: Like I said, this is not a forum to discuss litigation . If you have questions, you can direct those to staff. I am just letting you know. If you want to keep talking about it, go ahead, but that would be against what I would recommend.
Mr. Hohl: My point is something that we need to think about before we answer that question is exactly what you are getting at. So we fix it now, but then five years from now it is still not working, and five years later it is still not working.
Mr. Kapish: That is why we need to carefully consider the fix which she is proposing. Whatever she is proposing I don't know if it is a good fix. I really don't, but we will have weigh that. Then again, is it a good fix for two years or five years. I think that as a contractor I would probably love to put some caulking in it and call it good and walk away. Then it is going to last. When that caulking gives way and then you have a problem. That is something that we are going to have to discuss, but as far as litigation goes, Mike is right, this is not the proper forum to talk about it. Anybody is welcome after the meeting is over if they want to talk to Mike about that, then we are free to do so. That is the way to handle that.

Mr. Pawelczyk: For now.
Mr. Kapish: That is something that probably needs to stay in the back of your mind because there is so much going on here. There is a lot going on here. We really need to take this slow and do it right. There is nothing worse than throwing good money after bad.
Mr. Morgan: We may never be able to fix it 100% where it doesn't leak. With this, all this work, maybe we cut it down 50 to 60% on the leaking and there still may be seepage or whatever . At the end of the day, Jon Zac told us back, and I don't know if I believe this or not, but I kind of do in some ways, he said every fountain leaks. I think that is overstated on his part, but we may never get it to be zero leaks. We may have to accept what it is, and if there is some seepage, what we do know is according to some of the pool tests, it is not the magnitude to where we have to refill it every day. It is not to that. It is a few gallons a day. It is minute as far as the seepage or the leakage as to how much is in those tanks. It may never be perfect. Chris is all about perfect. I have known him 25 to 30 years, he is all about perfect and so am I. If we pay for something, I want it to be perfect because you know why, our money is perfect. I don't know where we are going to end up with this, but I want it fixed. I want the fountains running. Dennis, get them working this week.
Mr. Kapish: I didn't mention this tonight, but my feeling was that this leak detector, people have medical problems and they go out and get second opinions. I will just throw this out there, personally I believe that we should have gotten a second leak opinion. The leak guy that I met and the report he wrote was a three-line email to me. It wasn't a report of a qualified leak person would be able to tell you. They would be able to tell you a lot more than that. She claims that she spoke to him and he told her a lot more. I don't know what that means, but all I know is what I have seen. If you want to fix something and we are rushing in here to fix something, I just think besides this, I think there should have been another leak person to take a look at it. There is lots of companies out there. Right now I am trying to buy a door and I have been through four or five different door companies with the same door asking them the opinion about the door and how to cut it and how to do certain things to get it to fit. They have all told me different stories. I have

yet to have a person tell me the same thing yet. They are all selling the same product. I am just saying. Anyway we will move on.
Mr. Morgan: One more thing Mr. Chairman. As long as whoever she is having come out, their estimates are free, it is not costing us any money, let's see what they have to say. We are going to get them up and running. We are going to have everything working. We review it for the next couple of weeks. We will see what they have to say and at the next meeting, hopefully we resolve this. Who is paying for it? How much leakage there is? What their remedy is going to be and so on.
Mr. Kapish: The only thing we are paying for right now is the electric bill to run the fountain. Till then, think of your questions for the next meeting. Then hopefully we can make this thing fixed and do it right. We are going to move on now.
Refurbishing of Secondary Monument Signs
Financial Review
Mr. Kapish: Refurbishing of secondary monument signs.
Mr. Hohl: That was my request. After all of our discussion on the bond projects, and I understand that when the bond was originally brought up to the Board, that maybe the Board was not made aware of all the costs that would be involved so that obviously it put us at a disadvantage when it came to completing all of items that we wanted to have on the bond project. Then the other thing is as we got into the project, we realized that some of the ideas didn't complete the task. A good example was the streetlights. Beautiful streetlights, but as we got into it, we realized that we needed more than what we originally estimated. It increased costs there. The end of the story is we did some fantastic improvements to the roadways , to streetlights, to the main entrance but now we are at a point where we have pretty much exhausted the bond monies and we have already tapped into reserve money to defer some of the costs. If we didn't do that we wouldn't have gotten as far as we have. We still have nine secondary entrance signs that need to be addressed. I noticed that over the holiday season every single one of them were dark and even to this day none of the lights work on any of the secondary entrances. It is completely dark. You can't even read the sign. I went and actually looked at all of the signs over the weekend. I sent Dennis a report which was part of the agenda. Looking at the walls themselves the structure itself is sound. There are a few bricks missing here and there that need to be replaced and the sign itself is falling apart. It needs to be

replaced and the electric needs to be replaced. That was all part of the spreadsheet that I put together on every single thing. The reason why I did that was looking at the money, the bottom line is we are out of money. We don't have over $3,200,000 that it would take to do the nine entrance signs based on the plans that the architect and the price that the architect gave us to do that. Short of putting together a whole other bond project or loan and placing that burden on the homeowners and ourselves, I tried to find another option that might fit within our budget that we do what we intended to do which was to make the signs look nice again. What I tried to do was leverage the things that are still good and concentrate on the areas that need improvement and giving the entrance what I think would be a fresh look using the brick wall as the backbone but doing some of the things that we did at the main entrance. For instance using granite as a back piece and using the metal backlit lettering that says Turtle Run, using the same type of metal that we used at the main entrance so that it would all match, redoing the landscaping to give it that fresh look again and maybe even expose more of the wall to give it a different look and redoing all the lighting so that we would have the right lighting with LED lights. I think in doing that we could potentially have nine entrances that look new. The brick would still be there but the look of it would be different and it would give it a fresh look and blend the two ideas together. What we have throughout all of Turtle Run is brick walls. The other idea of brick entrance signs make sense. In fact, that is what I saw as a theme when I bought here, is that everything is brick. I know we tried to get away from all brick with the design that the architect gave us for the main entrance and we did that, but the reality is if the only way we would be able to do that to the other entrances at this point is a very expensive time-consuming endeavor where I think doing it the other way might give us what we are looking for and still stay within our budget with something that we can afford. I think the way to do it is to subcontract each of the pieces.  The electrician would have to pull his own permits and the sign guy would have to pull his own permits but because you are refurbishing , there is no other permits required. You wouldn't need a general contractor. You wouldn't need an architect. It would be something that each of the subs would bid on, each section would come back to the Board and give us their own proposals with their own drawings and tell us this is what we want to do. We don't have to take it from one. We can have five different landscape firms come out and say, show us what

you want to do with our landscaping. We can have five different sign companies come out and say here is our proposal for your signs and so on and so forth. That way we can even have our manager manage all of that and twiddle it down to the ones that he feels that the Board would really want to look at as far as a proposal from each of them. I think if we do it that way, we should be able to do for the cost of one of one of the monuments signs. We could do all nine of them if we do it right. That is just my guestimate with the experience that I have had with construction. I am sure others have that same thought in mind. We don't have to do something if we don't have the money to do it. I would love to have all the entrances look exactly the same. The reality is, how do we go back to the homeowners and businesses and say we ran out of money, so we need more. If we do it a different way within the budget, we still meet the spirit of the bond and we do what we said we were going to do and that is we would refurbish all of the entrances. I think that is something we should explore. The worst thing that could happen is we put together anRFP for each one of them. We ask each of the subcontractors to give us some detailed proposals so we can compare apples to apples. For instance, if you are looking at the landscape subcontractor, you want to see what plans provide what types of plants are they giving us, and what it is going to look like? They should be able to give us the drawings. Even at your house they can do that for you. I think we put the burden back on them. We shouldn't have to pay for any of that. That is something they are going to do as part of their proposal. Then we decide if this is something that we like, and we want to go forward with it, or no, it is not something we like, we need to go back to this and figure out a way to present it. Basically, what this is going to need if we go back to completely rebuilding it, is we are going to have another meeting like we did the first time and the only difference is this time, is people are going to remember that we have already said we are going to do this and you fell short, not your fault, but you fell short and now you are asking for more money. I think this is a way for the Board to do what we said we were going to do and stay within our budget. I think the only thing we have to do is explore the possibility and if we do, and we like it as a Board, then we move forward. If it is not something we want and doesn't pan out the way we thought it was going to pan out, no harm no fowl, we move forward, and we do something. That is my proposal, and, in your agenda, you have the spreadsheet that shows the entrances. There is a couple of

entrances that are fairly new on 441, the electric is still good. Theonly thing that we would need to change are the sconces. The other thing that we didn't do, and I don't know why we didn't do it on the main entrance and all these other secondary entrances that were designed, we didn't incorporate those beautiful streetlight features.  That company sells a light that matches those streetlights in a smaller version, and we could have one on each side of those entrances that would pull that in. You would see the streetlights in the median and you would see the same exact light in a smaller version on either side in a single light on either side. I think that is something that we should consider. Sometimes all the best intentions don't pan out the way that we want. There were a lot of unexpected expenses that there is no way the Board could have foreseen that.
Mr. Kapish: Actually, the expenses, I will go back to the original thing that I have said all along is that first of all, the bond didn't cost anybody any money. What happened was when the retired bonds for the original development was retired, we had a carryover of about $500,000 per year. With that carryover, we do some improvements, but not majorly overhaul the place because it wasn't just improvements, we were looking for, we had infrastructure and our main function as the COD is actually the main part is lake restorations . We have done some of them.   There are some that are due. In fact I sent one to you Dennis. I don't know if you looked at it today, but there is a little bit of erosion and that is what we are primarily sanctioned to do first and foremost to make those lakes the slopes are not eroding. We have done a few of them, but the bottom line is that when the bond was issued, the issue was, and this was the fault of the Board, is that they did not take enough money in the bond. Had they just taken two or three million dollars more, and it wouldn't have cost any more money, we would still be where we are today, except we would have all those projects finished. We carefully got an architect and went through all this and we paid her to design those entrance features . It is not just the brick is looking good, is the electrical inside of it is all crushed. The piping, the electrical is 30 years old. When they opened up the main entrance you could see a lot of our up lighting was one of the things we had to replace. The development was only ten years old. They had piping in the ground and all the up lights had to be redone. When you start to look at all that stuff and the coach lamps being on the thing, a lot had fallen off. If you went to even the new entrance on 441, the coach lamp is sitting on the ground and it has fallen off the

thing. It is only bolted to it. Those aren't the first coach lamps that they have had. We have replaced those coach lamps at least two or three times. The professional architect designed them to be up-to-date and more modern looking then what it was to attract more people because things do change. The direction was to incorporate the Turtle Run look in a little bit more of modern fashion look. A community that has a sign from 30 years old and sits there from 30 years ago is not attracting new buyers. Nothing is attractive about it; it is just the same old community. It is kind of like your home where you would never update it. You would never add maybe some stone to the front of your house or never add paint to it or maybe have a flat tile roof and never put a S-tile roof or barrel roof on it. The modern look is now houses are all white stuff. Anyway the bottom line is I will go back to the original thing. The problem wasn't that the Board wasn't frugal with the money, the problem was there wasn't enough money to be frugal with. When the bond was issued, we would have been able to issue the bond and even more if we wanted to and it didn't cost anybody a dime. We haven't increased taxes in here in six years. A lot of cities, when they issue a bond, your taxes go up for the bond. We didn't do that. In fact, I just talked to a gentleman who used to be one our biggest oppositions to us and he just got done saying to me, because we were talking about an HOA issue, he mentioned to me that he loves the neighborhood and all the improvements. He says that he went to the meeting and he was against the bond issue, but he says now he says he sees what improvements there are and he sees the value of it. Everything has value. I understand what you are saying about those signs, but it is not just the signs that we need to do. We need to seriously take a hard look at the budget this year because we have maintenance of these things. We are paying for the electric of these streetlights. That is supposed to be turned over to the City, but that hasn't been done yet, so we are going to have an electric bill. You run that fountain at the main entrance, we are going to have electric bills for that too, things that we didn't have. We are going to have to increase the budget this year. It is going to have to be done. That is what we are going to have to take a look at. If another bond was issued, that would be the first time that there would be any impact on people. The impact is mostly from the businesses. Sixty percent of the taxes come from the businesses. Very little bit of it comes from you or me. We have increased the budget as much as 16% in some years. Every year the City gets an increase because of the

appraised value of your home. They don't have to raise taxes to get more money, all they have to do is your house goes up in value, it doesn't have to be a lot. It could be a few thousand dollars and they get more money. Your neighbor's house sells, they get a windfall because the taxes on that home maybe just doubled or tripled to what it was because you have people buying from out of state. My neighbor's taxes that have been living there since the beginning are $6,000 a year. Now there is a neighbor across the street from me, the same model he is paying $12,000 a year in taxes. We have one of the lowest HOA fees there is and if you add in the COD, if you want to consider that kind of like a community payment, whatever you want to call it, it is very low compared to what you get. Besides those signs, the ball field that we are talking about, the playgrounds and I wanted to bring this to you to show this to everybody, but this is the park drawings that we talked about and the play gym that we talked about. It was proposed and to be paid for under this Park agreement. These are things that we were going to do and are now not being done because we have no money. I sure wish that we could do that. This is the new pavilion here. It was designed by Tamara Peacock. Those signs were already designed by Tamara Peacock. We already paid for those. To me, tossing those away in the garbage, we have already paid for that. I don't know if that makes a whole lot of sense.
Mr. Hohl: Paying for architectural designs is one thing but paying over $3,200,000
in additional funds to build those designs.
Mr. Kapish: It is not $3,200,000.
Mr. Hohl: According to her estimates right here per sign is $358,600.87. When you add that up, it is over $3,200,000. This is the Turtle Run secondary monument.
Mr. Kapish: What page are you on? Mr. Hohl: This one right here.
Mr. Kapish: We have never put those out to bid.
Mr. Hohl: I just know what I know about costs, that does sound correct. Here is what is going to happen. When you tear something down and start new, you have to meet all the new codes. You now have to pull the permits. You have to have a general contractor manage the project and he is going to get his piece of the pie from all the different subs which is going to drive your cost up. The way I am proposing to do it is do

it as a refurbishment, so therefore you don't have to worry about all the additional costs that you are going to incur when you tear something down and build new because you are basically, just for lack of a better term, you are painting your house or you are just replacing, but you are not replacing your whole house, so your house doesn't have to meet all the new codes, only the roof has to meet the code. Everything from the electrical panel all the way to everything, the conduit is going to be replaced. That would require a permit and that would have a set cost, but it would only be a cost if the electrical would bid on it. We wouldn't have any other costs associated with that. His bid would include permitting and everything, soup to nuts. The only other one that would potentially have to pull a permit would be the sign company because the City probably has ordinances about signs so that would need City approval. The landscaping, that doesn't have to have a permit. Refurbishing the brick wall, cleaning it and resealing it, that doesn't have to have a permit. Putting new caps on doesn't have to have a permit because you are refurbishing it. There is a big difference when you cross that threshold of building new as opposed to refurbishing. That is where I see the cost savings at. If we had the money and we were going to build, we would incur all those additional costs, but that would be something that we would plan for. Now that we are kind of backed into a corner, we are saying, well is there another option, and we can still get a nice-looking feature that would look nice again. You are going to completely redesign the landscaping. You are going to have all new electric. The brick is going to look brand new again. You are going to have caps that are going to match the caps that are at the main entrance and you are going to potentially put those sconces in there to match the streetlights. All the lighting would be LED.
Mr. Kapish: I didn't plan on getting involved in discussions for this tonight. Obviously, we are focusing tonight mostly on fixing the main entrance. The issue of the cost of those is not known at all. Those are not known until you take those out and get a bid on them. It doesn't mean just because you get a bid on them you have to build them. It means that is what the bid is. It is free to do that for the most part. When we talk about additional monies, we are not just talking about funding that. There are other things that are on the list again, the park. There is Tortoise Way which was supposed to be resurfaced with bike lanes. There are the walls if you want to continue those. If you want

to look at cost and maybe if somebody says this is excessive, the cost of the walls that we have, those were $400 a linear foot. If we took the brick off and put stucco on the wall for just a plain wall, it would be half of that. The decision was made to add the brick to make it upscale. That is what Turtle Run is, an upscale community that has received all kinds of awards over the last 20 years. We have at least seven or eight different awards for our community. Our community has always strived for the highest level. Before we get into the minutia of that kind of discussion again, we need to go back and like you said, a couple weeks ago that we need to go back and make a list of all the unfinished projects that we weren't able to complete and take a look at the big picture and not just microcosm of that wall.
Mr. Hohl: I agree that we put the brick on the walls because it does add to the esthetic. That brick is the esthetic associated with Turtle Run. I think everybody likes that. The brick wall that we put on all along Creekside is brick.
Mr. Kapish: We didn't do that.
Mr. Hohl: That is what I am saying. It is all part of the Turtle Run theme. One of the issues that we have right now that is a big black eye for Turtle Run is that we only have one entrance that is lit at night and looks fresh and new. If you come in any of the other entrances, the signs are falling apart. It is completely dark at night and the only thing that is kept up is the landscaping. To me, that is a problem that we need urgently to fix. I want to see the park improved but before we do that, we need to fix the entrances that people see when they come into Turtle Run.
Mr. Kapish: You are right.
Mr. Hohl: I would like to put more walls up. The walls along Turtle Creek Drive that are three foot around those other sub-developments should be brick walls. That is a discussion for another day.
Mr. Kapish: I agree.
Mr. Hohl: But for now we really need to focus on the entrances. We started with one, but what about all the rest of them?
Mr. Kapish: We don't have any money to do any projects period, even fixing something up in that fashion. We are to the point where right now we are done. Once we get these signs in and these other things, we are done until we rethink everything

overall. I think to nail it down to just refurbishing some signs and stuff like that, I think we are not thinking long term and not thinking the big picture. That is why I said right now we need to be thinking about the budget. That is what we need to think about because that is what Turtle Run does. I would be happy to pay $100 more a year if our taxes were raised. I would be happy to do that. I haven't paid any extra money to Turtle Run in six years. To me, that I think is quite a good accomplishment to have all these improvements, all this money put into it and I am not paying any more than I did six years ago. What I am saying is if you want to live in a nice community, it cost money. At the end of the day it does.   If you want to live in like a Margate level community, then you pay what they pay, or you do the things that they do.
Mr. Hohl: I don't think anyone would argue the fact that we have a beautiful community. What this Board and you as the Chair have done over the years has made Turtle Run a beautiful community. We just have a few issues that require some immediate attention that needs to be fixed. I am bringing an option for the Board to think about and maybe at our next meeting we can discuss it further, but I think it would behoove us to explore this option and if nothing else, put out some formal RFPs to send out to get some proposals so that we can see what the cost would be. I bet it is a lot less than you think. Here is something that the architect just threw together, and she said it would be $73,000 per entrance.
Mr. Kapish: What architect did what?
Mr. Hohl: This right here. Basically, she addressed some of the things that I had sent to Dennis our manager, saying that I wanted to see this brought tonight so that we could discuss it. I think at this point I want to open the discussion so that we can start looking at maybe another option short of doing a major bond issue which is going to take time and money to actually rebuild these things. This second option could potentially fit within our current budget without having to raise any taxes.
Mr. Kapish: $73,000 a piece?
Mr. Hohl: A piece. I think it is going to be more like $30,000 a piece in my estimate. I could be wrong. It could be $40,000 but it is still not going to be the $73,000. I don't know where she came up with those numbers but maybe her ideas are not the idea that I had for them. The only way that we are going to know is to get subcontractors to bid

individually, not through a general contractor which is going to drive the price up. There is plenty of subs out there that are used by cities around us that we could reach out and say ok, here is five different electrical contractors, give us a bid on this.
Mr. Morgan: This was an estimate from her to kind of do what you are talking about.
Mr. Hohl: That is my understanding. I didn't ask for this. This is just something that was put in front of me when I sat down tonight.
Mr. Kapish: Well, who asked for that?
Mr. Morgan: Dennis, did you have her draw this up?
Mr. Baldis: Chris, you asked me to do that. That is the same stuff you asked me to do last week and I brought everybody a copy tonight.
Mr. Kapish: I never contacted Tamara Peacock and asked her for a refurbished drawing.
Mr. Baldis: No, not refurbished. That was the design for the Wendy's sign. That is what she sent.
Mr. Kapish: So, she is saying the cost of rebuilding the sign is $73,000. Mr. Hohl: This is secondary monument wall alternate.
Mr. Kapish: $73,000 for a brand-new wall.
Mr. Morgan: You are going to get this for $73,000. Mr. Hohl: This is $300,000 something.
Mr. Kapish: I don't know about that. If we are going to put everything on the table which should be done, we need to get pricing for the new wall and see what that is too.
Mr. Hohl: That is what this spreadsheet is.
Mr. Kapish: I am talking about an actual bid. I am talking about taking that and putting it out for an actual bid. This is where we made the mistake before. We have had people that estimated what they thought. Do you know what the estimation of the main entrance was originally from somebody? It was a million dollars a side. $2,000,000 that is what the actual estimate for those signs were. When they came in at $700,000 for both sides, that is quite a difference. That is what the actual bid, because that is when Jon Zac bid on the thing, and that is what it came out to be. Before we get too far ahead of us, I think that is what we need to do.

Mr. Hohl: I think we should discuss this again at our next meeting. I think we should consider refurbishing as opposed to rebuilding just for the reasons that I stated. It is definitely going to be a lot cheaper if you refurbish as opposed to knock down and rebuild . Mr. Kapish: Again, you had a guy here two weeks ago who was on the Foundation
Board who is the President of his HOA who basically was saying that he was wondering where his sign was. What he was asking was why isn't he getting those signs that he went to the meeting and saw what they were going to build, and what they were going to do with the money, and he didn't get it. He was told that he got streets and streetlights, but he was not talking about the streets and streetlights, what he was talking about was as a taxpayer he is paying the same taxes I am paying, and I can understand his point. He is not getting what was proposed. That is the fault of ours. We should be delivering him what he wants, and he is not the only one that feels that way. I know quite of few of the people in the community , and even the businesses, and the businesses pay 60%. I don't know that I would tell the owner of Turtle Run Shoppes that he is going to get a refurbished sign versus a brand-new sign that he pays 60% of the taxes for.
Mr. Hohl: If you say we can do a refurbished that is going to look like new with our current budget, or we can spend another $3,200,000 additional money that you are going to have to pay for with this.
Mr. Kapish: It is not $3,200,000. I don't know why you keep saying that, but that is not what it is. We don't know what it is until it is actually put out for bid.
Mr. Morgan: Do we already have plans drawn up for the new entrances? Mr. Kapish: Yes, we do.
Mr. Morgan: Ok, we can always put them out for bid so you can have an apples to apples comparison.
Mr. Pawelczyk: Do not put anything out for bid unless you intend to do the work,
or no contractor will bid here. First of all, for Jonathan to put it out for bid so there is another $500 to advertise, and each contractor spends hours responding to one bid. You need to be careful and that is why you get engineers estimates so you have an idea of what the cost could be.
Mr. Kapish : I understand. We are getting way ahead of where we should be. To do this thing logically we have to worry about our funding first, then going out and starting

any new projects whether it is refurbishing or whether it is building something brand new. We need to get our funding in order and our house in order. That is what we need to do and we have a budget that is due to be approved in June because we have deadlines because it has to go down town to the tax appraiser's office and that has to be either advertised or whatever on the tax bill. I really do think that we need to make a plan, a long-term plan and it is best to do that because otherwise, we end up in a spot like we are at today.
Mr. Hohl: With that being said, then I think we need to direct the manager or the engineer to do a cost estimate on a brand-new entrance for nine monument signs as well as a refurbishment plan. I sent Dennis a little bit more specifics and it is in the agenda, that way we have a cost to look at it.
Mr. Kapish: That is fine but again I think we need to look at the big overall thing. What about the park, what about Tortoise Way, what about the other walls that aren't finished, what about the walls that you are talking about at Newport and Harbor Island making those six-foot walls? I mean let's do it all, but let's put it all in one big package. You can't piecemeal it because we don't have enough funds to do that. You can't do it that way. We need to do it and hey, a bond is not a nasty word. It is not a dirty word.
Ms. Karnegis: I agree with what Michael is saying. He is saying that this might be a way that we can get what we want, have that look and Turtle Run is beautiful with the old brick.
Mr. Kapish: I understand exactly what he is saying Zaida. What I am saying to you is that we need to look at the big picture of things. That isn't the only problem in Turtle Run. That isn't the only problem that we have. There are other things that are not finished. The main entrance doesn't even work, and we are sitting here talking about this stuff. All I am saying is that you are still going to have to raise more money. The District is going to need more funding. That is what we should be concentrating on and then go back and take a look at that. It has been like that for a year and half. I don't know if a couple more months is going to matter. Just saying.
Ms. Karnegis: I just think that it is something that has been brought up with some pricing that we can actually look at.

Mr. Kapish: Skip brought that up because he is against the bond. He voted against the first one.  He is not for spending more money. Again I go back to the other things, it is not just that. There are other things that we need to consider.  Maybe we all need to sit down and go over the budget. There are line items in the budget that need to be updated. Some of the things that we are doing are the same line items and this is why we have no money.
Mr. Morgan: Budget workshop.
Mr. Kapish: That is really what we need to do. We need to do a budget workshop. We need to work on what we are going to do in the long term. I understand what you are saying Mike and I agree. It is horrible to me to look at. There are also other horrible things that I see. I see when I come in, I see walls that are this high. They look horrible. You would have a lot more safety if you had a six-foot wall around those communities. I wouldn't spend any money for bricking them because that would cost a fortune, but they could be nicer walls to match their design of their community. It probably wouldn't cost that much money. We would get an estimate and include that in a new issue. Right now with the way the economy, the rates are a zero, very low, we have to look at that stuff. Unless you guys don't want to upgrade the community and you want to keep it the way it is because some of those things aren't going to get finished.
Mr. Morgan: Mike has given us an alternative. He went out and looked at the walls. He did a lot of due diligence. I appreciate that and he has given us options and that is what we need. This is going to be a long-term process.
Mr. Kapish: No matter which way you go with those walls you still have the issue of the big picture of what we are going to do to finish Turtle Run and the projects so the funding is first, the most important that we should be discussing at the next meeting. Then after we get all the funding together, then we talk about the walls. That is the way logically I think it should be done. Just to jump on one project, just because it looks terrible right now which I agree. I agree with that, but we have to do this in a logical manner. Right now if we are going to raise the budget, we need to work on that now and figure out what it is going to be. You know what I am saying? Then a lot of these decisions don't become hard anymore if we put this together. I can tell you right now if you go out and you tell people that we have done the streetlights, we have done the main entrance and now we

are going to finish this. A majority of the people are for things. As long as they can see an improvement, and that is what this gentleman told me. His name is Robert Klein and he lives in the Estates and he says Chris, I was against the money, but now that I see where it's spent and I see my improvement, and I see my house value's go up, he goes I am all for it. That is what people are for. When they vote and this goes for whatever you vote all the way from President of the United States all the way down to your City or local officials, people vote what is going to benefit them. People don't vote for people who say I am not going to do something. I am going to make your community worse or I am not going to improve it. That is what is upsetting about Coral Springs. I like to see Coral Springs improve itself. Coconut Creek has done a great job by putting in the promenade. They are going to be adding to that and there is going to be more to it. That is making that City something. Right now Coral Springs doesn't have a promenade, they don't have anything. They have this project called downtown that is full of low rent apartments above some stores. To me, I have made my voice known to some of the commissioners that what they are doing is just getting tax money, they are not improving Coral Springs at all. That is a whole other discussion. We will discuss this, and we will have more discussions. We need to but we need to take the big picture into a context first versus looking at one item.
Mr. Hohl: All I am saying is when it comes to the monument walls of all the other entrances that they need to have something done. There is more than one option.
Mr. Kapish: There should be lots of options.
Mr. Hohl: I am asking for you to look at this other option and compare it to the first option and see if it something that we would want to do now or if we want to do it later. If we want to tackle all these other projects and that is what the Board decides, that is what the Board decides, but I think there is a way to tackle those monument signs in short order within budget without having to raise anything and then you go back and say we have done all these things. All of our entrances are good. We have new streetlights and new roads, now we want to add these other things. In order to do that we need a bond to do it.
Mr. Kapish:  All I am saying is if we do any of that stuff, we have to do with this
budget here. We can't wait for next year. We have to do it this budget year is when we

need to do it. Now as far as when things are done, that is a separate issue.   Obviously , you can't do any of that until you get funding for it. If you don't get the funding this year and you wait for next year it will be two or three years. I don't know how long we all have to live in Turtle Run.  I don't know how long we are all going to be alive, but I would like to see it all done and completed before I die and not wait five years. A lot of the stuff that we are doing today with the signs and everything, should have been done ten years ago. Anyway let's move on. We have to move on. Is there anything else you need to add?
Mr. Hohl: No I just wanted to bring that to the Board so they could start to consider another option.
Mr. Morgan: Your spreadsheet looks good, I appreciate it.
SEVENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS       Approval of the Minutes of the
February 8, 2021 and February
22, 2021 Meetings
Mr. Kapish: Approval of the minutes of the February 8, 2021 and February 22, 2021 meetings. Those minutes are in your books. If there are any corrections, submissions or anything that needs to be clarified otherwise we need a motion to accept the minutes as is.

On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Ms. Karnegis with all in favor, the minutes of the February 8, 2021 and February 22, 2021 meetings were approved.

EIGHTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Staff Reports
Attorney
Mr. Kapish: Staff reports. Mike, you have anything for us?
Mr. Pawelczyk: Nothing further.
Engineer
Mr. Kapish: Our engineer, do you have anything to add? Mr. Geiger: Nothing further this evening.
Field Manager
Manager
Mr. Kapish: Dennis, do you have anything?

Mr. Baldis: I do. I have a proposal from BrightView to do the median at Terrapin Lane and Sample Road to install soil and sod so we can meet the requirements there. They are getting soil from FPL easement that was stored there. It is for $781.82.
Mr. Morgan: Where is that going in Dennis?
Mr. Baldis: The peanut that we put on Sample Road that they are saying that we need to put sod.
Mr. Morgan: By the Wendy's?
Mr. Baldis: Out there at Sample Road, yes.
Mr. Kapish: Ok. While that is on the table, they replaced a light pole that was snapped by a car in front of the school. It was just replaced this week. The sod that was put around it looks like garbage.
Mr. Morgan: Yes, it died. It is so dry.
Mr. Kapish: I don't know if they can get off of this or if they need more sod or whatever, but that looks like garbage. Just wanted to mention that. If he has to get a few more pieces of sod and it costs a few more dollars, then I think that whatever has to be done should be done. The motion is the $781.82 for the sod.

On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Ms. Karnegis with all in favor, a proposal from BrightView in the amount of
$781.82 for sod at Terrapin Lane and Sample Road was approved.

Mr. Baldis: I have another proposal from BrightView. When we redid the entranceway onto the FPL easement to put into the concrete driveway, to do that and put in soil, sod, pine straw and adjusting the irrigation is $1,370.02.
Mr. Kapish: Can you repeat what that was for?
Mr. Baldis: FPL, to fix up the landscaping around where the concrete driveway went in off Turtle Creek Drive.
Mr. Kapish: Ok. Does that include sod? Mr. Baldis: Yes.

On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Mr. Hohl with all in favor, a proposal from BrightView in the amount of $1,370.02

to fix the landscaping at the concrete driveway on Turtle Creek Drive onto the FPL easement was approved

Mr. Baldis: Another BrightView proposal for the sidewalk area on Tall Cypress Preserve to clean and grade and install sod. It is for $1,260. This is all along where the construction where we took out the electrical service.    I asked them to clean it up. Trying to focus on tripping hazards and stuff along these areas and that is where all three of these came from.
Mr. Kapish: Is that $1,260 even? Mr. Baldis: Yes, sir.

On MOTION by Ms. Karnegis seconded by Mr. Hohl with all in favor, a proposal from BrightView in the amount of $1,260 for sod repair on Turtle Run Boulevard near Tall Cypress Preserve was approved.

Mr. Baldis: Lance had brought to my attention that the lights on the fountain by Lake Katie are not up to par. I have had Hall Fountains come out and look at them. They have LED lights in those now. They were changed out years ago. You have two options here. When they went out there, they found six what they call are LED platters that need to be replaced, that is it why Lance is seeing them dim. To do that, to install nine of them, it is $2,790. They also gave me for the same location the platters they have now are obviously newer and improved. To install all 20 new ones there would be $6,200.
Mr. Morgan: What was wrong with the lights Dennis?
Mr. Baldis: There is nine platters that have gone through their life cycle. They are
dim.
Mr. Morgan: Those lights cost us like $5,000 four or five years ago to put them in. Mr. Baldis: Yes, we changed them all. They first did the front entrance on Sample
Road for free to see what they would look like. They are new lights that they keep improving on and they are just asking if you want to do them all or just replace the non­ working ones.
Mr. Kapish: Did we already do those and now they are burning out? Mr. Baldis: Yes, years ago we did.

Mr. Morgan: They did some work not long ago because the water plumes weren't kicking out as far as they should. They did some work there recently.
Mr. Baldis: But not on the lights.
Mr. Morgan: Not on the lights, just on the water plumes.
Mr. Baldis: These are all new furnishings to those lights that they originally put in. Mr. Kapish: How long are they supposed to last?
Mr. Baldis: They are under water. They are going to give you a year warranty.
Mr. Kapish: The fountains that we have, obviously we have a lot of them, and they are high maintenance. It is what it is.
Mr. Hohl: What was the price on the nine? Mr. Baldis: $2,790.
Mr. Hohl: Are they different type of lights, is that why they are more expensive? Mr. Baldis: No.
Mr. Kapish: Well the nine is $2,790 and you are saying 20 of them $6,200. They
must break down to a per light cost.
Mr. Morgan: You are getting 11 more lights and plus it is a little bit more labor to put in 20 rather than 9, I guess.
Mr. Kapish: That is what I am getting at. It is not like they are charging a different
price. I am sure there is a per unit price.
Mr. Hohl: If we do nine now for $2,000 and we wait a month and do nine more for another $2,000.
Mr. Morgan: The other day my garage door sprung, I have two springs on each door and one spring broke. The guy came out said bro, you have to change everything. These are going to break too eventually. I had him change them all out. My inkling would be to change them all out. If nine went out of 20, it is just a matter of time.
Mr. Hohl: My only question is the cost per lighting of nine at $2,000 doesn't match up to the cost of 20.
Mr. Kapish: It does because you are 9 and then you are adding 11 more. Mr. Pawelczyk: You are paying $310 a light.
Mr. Hohl: Ok.
Mr. Morgan: That would be my opinion to have them all done at once.

lights.

Mr. Hohl: Do we have these lights in all our other fountains?
Mr. Baldis: We have LED lights in all our fountains. This is the new version of the

Mr. Morgan: We upgraded them all about three or four years ago. Mr. Kapish: And we are saving some money on electric.
Mr. Pawelczyk:	Would it behoove the District to possibly consider entering into a

longer-term agreement with Hall Fountainss to replace the lights at a certain rate.  Maybe not now but in the future. I don't know if they offer that service where you can negotiate a rate where instead of paying $310 a light, maybe you are paying $200 a light if you have a three-year contract with them or something.
Mr. Morgan: There is no hurry to do that.
Mr. Pawelczyk: I am only asking the question. I don't know how that works.
Mr. Baldis: I am not sure they do that. It is kind of the like the RPM's too, there is going to be new improved model.
Mr. Morgan: If the one thing Jon Zac said was Hall Fountains is like an annuity.
Mr. Hohl: Going back to the price, maybe I am doing my math wrong but nine lights at $2,000 is $222.
Mr. Baldis: No $2,790.
Mr. Hohl: Oh, that is the part I missed. Ok. It would make sense to switch them all
over.

On MOTION by Mr. Hohl seconded by Mr. Morgan with all in favor, a proposal from Hall Fountains in the amount of $6,200 to replace LED lights at Lake Katie was approved.

Mr. Baldis: That is all I have unless you have something for me. Mr. Kapish: I thought you had the pavers?
Mr. Baldis: Which pavers? Mr. Kapish: The flagpoles.
Mr. Baldis: Ok sure. I was asked to get prices to remove and replace the flagpole pavers at Turtle Run Boulevard and Sample Road. The lowest price I got out of five was
$2,750 by F & K Martins Pavers.
Mr. Morgan: Are they going to use our existing pavers?

all?

Mr. Kapish: You got four or five.
Mr. Baldis: That is the lowest out of the five I said. Do you want me to read them

Mr. Kapish: If you want to because you said that Jon Zac gave you $3,400 price. I

don't know those people at all and if we want to take a chance and hire them.
Mr. Baldis: I can read them all to you. Nacardos is $2,800. Anzco was $3,450, Pavers Plus was $3,250, and Stanford was $8,150.50.
Mr. Morgan: $8,000?
Mr. Kapish: Actually, he was at $11,000 before we asked him for a better price. went out and Dennis asked Jon Zac for a price. He asked for $3,400 and I contacted some guy that was putting a driveway in Turtle Run. His truck was out there, I called his number and he gave a price. What was his price?
Mr. Baldis: $2,800.
Mr. Kapish: Was he the lowest?
Mr. Baldis: No, he was second lowest.
Mr. Kapish: He looked like a pretty professional guy and the other number I got from one of my neighbors who was putting in a driveway and she is putting in Travertine I believe. That is the price that we got. We have the material. It was left over from the roadway. We are not paying for material. All we are paying for is for them to remove the old pavers and install the new pavers in a herringbone manner.
Mr. Morgan: That includes all the sand and everything that is needed? Mr. Kapish: Everything they need to do the job yes.
Mr. Hohl: Will we have any pavers left over in case we need them in the roadway? Mr. Baldis: No.
Mr. Kapish: I don't know.
Mr. Baldis: According to Stanford he said it was the exact amount.
Mr. Geiger: I know the square footage. I don't know how many pavers. I can try and find that out, but I do believe Stanford did say at one point they just had what was left over.
Mr. Morgan: We are sure that we have enough pavers to do that area? Mr. Baldis: That is what Stanford is telling me. It is 578 feet.

Mr. Morgan: It is not that big of an area.
Mr. Hohl: Other than the fact that they are not an exact match, is there something wrong with the pavers that are currently there?
Mr. Kapish: Well there is nothing wrong with them. Some of them need to be leveled and stuff like that. The leftover pavers we have no place to store them so they would just be discarded. Why waste pavers that are sitting there that are perfectly good that could improve the entranceway.
Mr. Hohl: Have you done that in the other entrances?
Mr. Kapish: We put new pavers at the other flagpoles, and they did the same pavers. If we are going to match everything that is the main entrance and it should be the best of the best of the other entrances. That is my opinion.
Mr. Morgan: I have no problem with it. Some of them need to be leveled anyway.
We will have a fresh new roadway.
Mr. Hohl: Is it $2,800 or $2,000? Mr. Baldis: $2,750 is the lowest bid.

On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Ms. Karnegis with all in favor, a proposal from F & K Martins Pavers in the amount of $2,750 to remove and install pavers at the flagpole on Turtle Run Boulevard and Sample Road was approved.

Mr. Kapish: Anything else? Mr. Baldis: No sir.
Mr. Hohl: I have something for the manager. I think it is 43rd and Turtle Run Boulevard, there is at least one of the streetlights looks like it is out.
Mr. Baldis: They just repaired the one on that corner last week. Mr. Hohl: Ok.
Mr. Baldis: We put a new pole in in front of the school that got hit by the accident and then down by 43rd Street there is one light that was out. They have fixed that.
Mr. Hohl: Ok.
Mr. Baldis: If it is out again please let me know. Mr. Hohl: No, that was the one.
so

Mr. Baldis: Thank you.
Mr. Kapish: Regarding that pole that you are talking about, I understand that their insurance is not covering the total cost of that pole.
Mr. Baldis: Where it is right now is Ocean Harbor Insurance is saying that they have a limited policy for $10,000. The claim is $14,425 and that is on your next agenda to discuss.
Mr. Kapish: Doesn't that come under property damage? Mr. Baldis: Yes.
Mr. Kapish: Mike, do you know anything about that?
Mr. Pawelczyk: Do you want to turn into our insurance company?
Mr. Kapish: No. I am asking about the vehicle that struck the pole and wiped the pole out. From what Dennis saying is that their policy says that they only have a $10,000 coverage. The claim is actually $14,425. We are actually losing some money here. There is no part of that policy that would cover that?
Mr. Pawelczyk: They have a $10,000 limit. Wasn't it a Mustang too? Mr. Baldis: I believe so.
Mr. Pawelczyk: They are driving a $35,000 car and only has a $10,000 liability coverage.
Mr. Kapish: He will think there is something wrong when somebody sues them.
Mr. Pawelczyk: You could sue him for the $14,425, but it is going to cost you a little bit of money to do that.
Mr. Kapish: It would probably cost us the same amount of money we would
recover. Let me ask something Dennis about the sign that was taken out by the Tesla. Was that fully insured? Did that get covered?
Mr. Baldis: Yes.
Mr. Morgan: We had another pole taken out down by Petsmart once upon a time.
That was fully covered.
Mr. Baldis: Yes. They were not Ocean Harbor Insurance.
Mr. Morgan: That is one of the biggest frauds.   The fraudulent insurance coverage all the time. I see them every day. That is the company of choice. As soon as I get an Ocean Harbor casualty and it is laminated. The key is lamination. I say are you

representing that this is a valid vehicle insurance card because if it is fake, it is a felony third degree in the State of Florida. Their response is oh well, this is my boyfriend's car or girlfriend's car; I need to check on that. There are a couple other ones but that is one of them.

NINTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Financial Reports
Approval of Check Register
Balance Sheet and Income Statement
Mr. Kapish: Approval of the check register. If there are any questions or concerns otherwise, we need a motion to approve.

On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Ms. Karnegis with all in favor, the check register was approved.

Mr. Kapish: The balance sheet and income statement. The same thing otherwise we need a motion to approve.

On MOTION by Ms. Karnegis seconded by Mr. Hohl with all in favor, the balance sheet and income statement were approved.

TENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Supervisors Requests
Mr. Kapish: Supervisors requests. Is Skip still on the phone? Mr. Morgan: No.
Mr. Kapish: Zaida, do you have anything? Ms. Karnegis: No.
Mr. Kapish: Mike?
Mr. Hohl: I am good.
Mr. Kapish: Lance, do you have anything? Mr. Morgan: No.
Mr. Kapish: I don't have anything either. We just need a motion to adjourn the meeting.
ELEVENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS	Adjournment

On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Ms. Karnegis with all in favor, the meeting was adjourned.