MINUTES OF MEETING TURTLE RUN
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT

A  regular  meeting  of  the  Board  of  Supervisors  of the  Turtle  Run  Community

Development  District was  held on Monday, July 8, 2019 at 6:00 p.m. at the offices
Governmental Management Services, 5385 N. Nob Hill Road, Sunrise, Florida 33351.

of

Present and constituting a quorum:
Chris Kapish Lance Morgan Skip Carney Zaida Karnegis

Chairman
Vice Chairman
Assistant Secretary (by phone) Assistant Secretary

Also present were:

Dennis Baldis Vanessa Steinerts Bob Zuccaro Jonathan Geiger Cristin Peacock Keith Beck

District Manager District Counsel KCI Technologies KCI Technologies
Tamara Peacock Architects Wausau Tile

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS

Roll Call

Mr. Kapish called the meeting to order and Mr. Baldis called the roll.

SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS
A moment of silence was held.

Moment of Silence

THIRD ORDER OF BUSINESS
Mr. Kapish led the pledge of allegiance.

Pledge of Allegiance

FOURTH ORDER OF BUSINESS

Good News

Mr. Kapish:  Does anybody have any good news?  Zaida? Ms. Karnegis: No nothing.
Mr. Kapish: Skip do you have any good news for us?
Mr. Carney: It is all good.  It is all about baseball, let me tell you.

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Mr. Kapish:  All Stars is coming up.  Lance?
Mr. Morgan: No.

FIFTH ORDER OF BUSINESS

Public Comment

Mr. Kapish:  There is nobody here from the public so we will move on.

SIXTH ORDER OF BUSINESS

Update and Discussion of Projects for the Bonds

Mr. Kapish:  Update and discussion for the projects of the bonds.  Jonathan you are

here.

Ms. Peacock: The one for the Estates we had to prepare the change order. I know last meeting it was approved. I have copies here of it. This is the Estates one for the electrical behind the wall.  That was already talked about last meeting.
Mr. Baldis: Who created that?
Ms. Peacock:  He created the supporting documents.  I put it on AIA document.
Mr. Baldis: You are going to need to read it so that it passes Vanessa's review. Whenever we have a change order they bring it and it is described here. Mike always makes sure there is enough description in it to make sure that everyone understands what it is for.
Ms. Peacock: This is our standard AIA document that we use to support the contract documents. Here is just a brief description saying this is for the electrical changes in the monument sign wall, electrical wiring as needed to complete the job. Then attached is their breakdown in fees. Ijust summarized what they said here. They also attached the invoice from their subcontractor.
Ms. Steinerts:  So it's something that had been approved at the prior meeting?
Ms. Peaock: Yes this change order was already discussed and approved. What we just did is we just put it on the formal document here. We sign it, the contractor will sign it and then we usually use Dennis.
Mr. Baldis: Chris signs the change orders. Ms. Peacock: Ok.
Mr. Baldis: You may want to read what it is.
Ms. Steinerts: Yes definitely.

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Ms. Peacock: I actually for those ones, we are going to have to go over so I will just leave a copy with you so you can go over them as well.
Ms. Steinerts: I think that maybe they should if they haven't been, they should be approved subject to legal review.
Mr. Kapish: The one that we are focusing on is the electrical one right.
Ms. Peacock: This is the Estates wall and then these ones are the main entry wall with fountains. Remember the Estates wall we had to update the transformer so that we can add it to the streetlighting.
Mr. Baldis: This was approved in form like you are saying and she is providing it today for Chris to sign.  It is in the record discussed in detail at the last meeting.
Ms. Steinerts:  They haven't been reviewed though by counsel?
Ms. Peacock: Just this front page hasn't but I believe the supporting pages were. These were submitted already. This was something that we created, not that we created but we put together.
Ms. Steinerts: I am just trying to catch up on where we are with these change orders.
You need all of them reviewed?
Ms. Peacock: I guess these four new ones are going to have to be reviewed right?
Is that my understanding?
Mr. Baldis: Let's deal with the Estates sign. That is number one. These other ones have not yet been discussed with the Board. We are going to discuss those and what they are for.  Then they can approve depending on your review of them.
Ms. Steinerts: Ok so I think if this has already been discussed you may want to go ahead and move on to discuss the new ones with the Board.
Ms. Peacock: The other ones I have is for the main entry wall, the one with the fountains. The first one that I received was for the lettering on the sign. Previously it was priced to be aluminum lettering but after discussion with the sign companies and from other people who also say it is better to do stainless steel for the lettering instead of aluminum because over time the aluminum will start to corrode from the fountain. Ansco provided us with a change order for that. That was $7,704.71. That is for both signs, east and west wall. We upgraded to stainless steel.  I have a copy of that here as well.  He just sent me a summary of the breakdown. Idon't have a formal invoice from the other company but he emailed me a breakdown for this one.
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Do you have any questions about that one? The next one that we have is a change order for the additional cost to acid wash the precast wall caps. We have the aluminum caps on the columns but on the actual wall there is a cast cap that we have. It is the type of finish that is what the acid wash is. There is a finish that we can use that is not an additional cost.  I actually have samples of the two different ones in my car if you want to look at them.
Mr. Kapish: You have samples of?
Ms. Peacock:  The plain one without the acid wash and then I have one with the acid wash.
Mr. Kapish: This is the cap?
Ms. Peacock:  It is the cap on the wall, not on the actual column.
Mr. Kapish: Isn't the cap on the wall the same as the cap on the columns? Ms. Peacock: No. This is precast concrete cap on the wall.
Mr. Kapish: What is on the columns then?
Ms. Peacock: The columns is a metal, a copper metal.  It is a copper colored finish. Mr. Kapish: Can we see those?
Ms. Peacock: They were heavy but I can grab them now.
Mr. Kapish: Do you have a picture of the main entrance sign that you call pull up so that when she brings it in everyone knows what she is talking about.
Mr. Baldis: Let me see.
Ms. Peacock: This is the sample with the acid wash. This is just the regular one. You can see it is more porous so I was a little worried about that so I chose this one but ultimately it is your decision.
Mr. Kapish:  Just the acid washing does that to it? Ms. Peacock: Yes.
Mr. Kapish: That would be kind of smooth almost.  Wow. Ms. Peacock: I think it just takes away this top part.
Mr. Kapish: Is that the actual color?
Ms. Peacock: This is a lighter version of the color that we specified. Mr. Kapish: So it is a little darker.
Ms. Peacock: Yes.
Mr. Kapish:  Is everybody liking that? Mr. Morgan: Yes very nice.  Good job.
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Ms. Peacock:	So that  is the second one and that one comes out to a total of
$6,044.78 for the change order with the addition of that. The third one I have here is for the fountain electrical work  to replace the existing lake fountain controller with a new controller furnished by Hall Fountains. That one came out to $17,382.85. Once again he supplied a breakdown of fees and his correspondence.
Mr. Kapish: Who is doing that, Hall Fountain?
Ms. Peacock: Yes. He is doing all the stuff that has to do with the fountain. I am going to leave you a copy of all this. The fourth one, now this one is one that is up to the Board if you want to do it. This is for the FPL upgrade. It is the upgrade of the electrical service. We are relocating the lake fountain main electrical services from their existing location to a new location near the controller to combine it with the new feature wall main electrical service with only one metered system because right now they are separate. The idea was to put them together. So this was kind of what he wrote, the contractor said the fountain electrical services are in need of replacement and will be more efficient by reducing voltage draw due to the extreme distance involved if closer to pumps increasing the life of the new equipment and lowering energy costs. The one thing I do want to mention about this, his change order is for $11,500.59 but this doesn't include the fee from FPL. FPL will charge the District $25,000 to $30,000 to put in that panel. So that will be directly charged to the District and then the $11,500.59 is for him to do the waiver of setting it all up.
Mr. Kapish: Wouldn't he have included that $11,000 into the bid?
Mr. Baldis: Where the controller is now for the fountain is down in front of this area here. This is where the power is coming from. That needs to be replaced. This is how you could do this. You have that rebuilt and it needs to be done because it is all rusted. He told us that is like $8,000 to do that. It will still operate the fountain and the panel will stay where it is. They have to upgrade the panel here for the sign and that was included in the bid so they can operate everything else up here just the way it is in the bid. If you move this up and decide to put the fountain and these all together it will be gone. This service will be completely gone. FPL will put a new, entirely new service here upgraded where we will be able to run the fountain in the lake, the fountains and the signs, the wall
lights, everything there.  That is what these costs are.  You don't have to do any of it. You

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can just upgrade this panel and leave it the way it is for $8,000 but then this panel is going to stay there where the fountain is.
Mr. Kapish: This panel is out here some place.  The new wall, does it cover the old
panel?
Ms. Peacock: Yes that is part of why we added those.
Mr. Baldis: We went through that whole thing to make sure it was.  This was just an idea to condense it.  It is up to you if you really want to do it.  It is an option.
Mr. Kapish:   What you are saying is from here to here, that run, you are losing voltage.
Mr. Baldis: It is going to do both signs and both fountains.
Mr. Kapish: Assuming since we are putting pools in here, this is going to be using a lot more electricity than they use now.
Mr. Baldis: I would think so yes.
Mr. Kapish: I think we do need to consider having that panel where that thing is.
This I don't know why it is down here.
Mr. Baldis: I do, I was there when they put it in. It was the only place where there was electricity to get to the pump and to have it put in there.  That is why they put it in there. If you remember Lennar had a smaller fountain there and then when we put that in, we had to upgrade the line and that was Obrien Electric who came and put that in a long time ago.
Mr. Kapish: Is FPL running this or is the electrician running this line?
Mr. Baldis: The electrician ran the wire from that service point all the way up to the fountain.
Mr. Kapish: Right but what I am asking is the $11,000 that he is asking for, what is that paying for?
Ms. Peacock: For when you put the new panel in.
Mr. Kapish:  If you take the panel here and put it behind the sign. Ms. Peacock: That is what that is for.
Mr. Baldis: It is a new service charge.
Mr. Kapish: What are you paying FPL to do? You are paying them to run this to the
panel?
Mr. Baldis: We are not paying them to do anything.
Ms. Peacock: FPL has a charge of $25,000/$30,000 to put in the new panel.
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Mr. Baldis: It won't be coming from this location, it will be coming from the new service here.  They are looking to upgrade this transformer.  That is what their cost is.
Ms. Peacock: This cost is to run the fountain which wasn't previously in his bid to the new panel. Now he has to put all the other electrical that used to be on the other panel on this panel.  FPL doesn't do that.
Mr. Kapish: I am not clear what FPL is doing.
Mr. Baldis: The only thing FPL is going to be doing if you do this is putting a new service up here, a larger service. If you don't decide to do that than this will stay and you will have to rebuild this in front of the apartments there. The way it was explained to me is that the power up here is sufficient to run what we are putting in. All those costs are to have it all put into one service in a new upgraded service by FPL. If you don't do it then you are good to go.
Mr. Kapish: But then you still have to replace the panel that is all rusted and stuff.
Mr. Baldis: Right that is what he said. He said it was around $8,000 which is like a new service type thing.  It is the original box as far as I know.
Ms. Karnegis: So FPL is only to increase the power so you can run everything. The way that we have it right now it would not be able to operate it.
Mr. Baldis: We are paying for a new service which would give them the ability to run the lake fountain and everything here. That is what it is for. I asked either way you could do it either way if you wanted.
Ms. Karnegis: Now in the future and I am just thinking money-wise if it is going to be beneficial for the homeowners because if we leave it the way that it is for the future we are going to have again double payment because now when it gets older you are going to not only have to redo the other one but now you have two to keep the maintenance up.
Mr. Baldis: That is correct.
Mr. Kapish: I think you should always have more power than you need. You are going to put lights up there for the holidays. I am assuming that we are also changing the lights out for the flag poles and those will probably all be LED lights which will save us some money but Ithink we should combine the two and put into one panel right behind the wall and make it a cleaner look.  We are spending all that money on the whole sign and
then you are using the old electric type thing with it.

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Mr. Baldis: The only thing that I would want to have a drawing of is if the Board decides to do that where this fountain panel ends up. I would want to know the exact location. Is it going to be directly next to the service or is it somewhere we won't be happy with it.  That is what I would be concerned with.
Mr. Kapish: Well you can see the one here still even though it is behind the wall.
Mr. Baldis: I am talking about the Hall Fountain panel where that will be located. I want to know. I want to see in writing the exact location of that if the Board spends that much money.
Mr. Kapish: Is that something that you guys can find out? Ms. Peacock: Yes.
Mr. Baldis: The issue with this is they need to know as quickly as we can tell them because the timeframe that FPL takes to do this is ten weeks.
Mr. Kapish: I agree with Zaida. I think it should be put together and everything and upgraded.  That is what I think we should do.  What do you think Lance?
Mr. Morgan:  If you think we need it then I say we need it. I am not an expert on this.
Bob or Dennis would know more on this than Iwould.
Mr. Baldis: I explained what was explained to me. I am not an expert on electricity. Mr. Morgan: It is a lot of money. Change orders seem to be the way we do things. Mr. Kapish: I am surprised it wasn't included in the original thing but it is what it is.
Ms. Steinerts: I would think you would want the chage order to clarify and have that location that you are talking about so there is no question.
Ms. Peacock:  So, have the change order add the drawing as a supplement for you. Mr. Carney: Dennis, I have a question.  Is this all based on one electrician's opinion?
Mr. Baldis: No, it is based on FPL and what we are asking it to handle the transformer, what it can handle at that location.
Mr. Carney: Ok.
Mr. Baldis: FPL is saying if we want to upgrade the service, this is the cost. If we are putting a new service in there then that is the cost of the contractors.
Mr. Carney: Who is recommending that we do this?
Mr. Baldis: It is just an option given to the Board. You don't have to do it. You can leave  it the way  it is and  rebuild the transformer  that  is down  in front  of  Park  Place

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Apartments for about $8,000 and everything else would be pretty much the same way it was explained to me.
Mr. Carney: And everything will work fine? Mr. Baldis: That is what I was told yes.
Mr. Carney: OK. Thank you.
Mr. Kapish: Do you have anything else?
Ms. Peacock: No I don't. To jump back to the Estates sign with PHI. They picked up the electrical revision permit. It is approved so they are going to have their electrician working.
Mr. Kapish: Somebody said they had to order parts or something.
Ms. Peacock: They already ordered it last week so the parts should be coming in this week. It is the transformer. Then they should be starting work on that sign again.  That is it.
Mr. Baldis: Are you going to approve any of those change orders at all? Mr. Kapish:  Don't we need the additional information?
Ms. Peacock: Just on the fourth one.
Mr. Kapish: The fourth one which is the $11,500 one?
Ms. Peacock: Yes that is for the FPL upgrade. That is one that I am going to provide you with an additional drawing.
Mr. Morgan: Even if FPL tells you it is going to be $25,000/$30,000 they could come with a bid for $50,000 right? When does it become cost prohibitive to spend $50,000 plus
$30,000 compared to the point that Skip is making of spending $8,000 to upgrade.  Does it have to be $100,000 to $8,000?  Does it have to be $200,000? When in your mind Chris?
Mr. Carney: Right.
Mr. Morgan: When does it become cost prohibitive. We are going to do all this to have electric closer to the new fountain.  I don't understand the vision here.
Mr. Kapish: Well the vision here is to combine. We have an electrical system here that is kind of outdated. All you are running is lights on a sign. Now we are running a pool and all that kind of stuff.
Mr. Morgan:  But by upgrading the system for $8,000.
Mr. Kapish: You are just replacing the rusted stuff.

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Mr. Morgan:	You are right, we are only going to run a couple of pumps and some lights.  You are actually right. We are not funding any kind of factory or a massive building. Mr. Kapish: No we are not doing that.  I didn't say we had to make a decision tonight.
Mr. Morgan: Bob you are an engineer, what do you think about this?
Mr. Zuccaro: I am not an electrical engineer so I think it comes down to life expectancy. You spend the $8,000, how long is that going to last you where you are going to spend more money again.  The other is you are getting an upgrade.
Mr. Carney: There is an awful lot of unknowns here to be spending $50,000 for this
thing.
Mr. Baldis: This service has been there as long as I can remember. Little repairs to it, nothing big. Again this was asked for information for you to try and make a decision whether you want to do this. If you replace this, upgrade it, the only thing it is running is this fountain. It should be fine.
Mr. Kapish: Running the fountains in the lakes.
Mr. Baldis: Right. That is what it is doing now. The other service would be adequate to do the new two pools and the lighting there. That is the information so it is either $8,000 or moving it up and spending the $11,025 plus $30,000 whatever it ends up to be. That is the options.
Mr. Kapish: Do we know exactly, you need so much voltage and all that kind of stuff to run two fountains? You are running these fountains that are waterfalls and the worst thing that you could possibly do is to build all this and then turn around and discover that we don't have enough power to do this.
Mr. Baldis: I asked the question and the contractor told me that he spoke to Hall Fountain, Hall Fountain is aware of what is there and said the power was sufficient to run those fountains.  Am I accurate in what I am saying?
Ms. Peacock: I am sorry, repeat the question.
Mr. Baldis: The existing power, there is adequate to run two fountains and the lighting there, that Hall Fountain is aware of what is there and said it is sufficient.
Ms. Peacock: Yes. We have an electrical engineer that ran the calc's on the panel that is out there.
Mr. Baldis: It is simple.

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Mr. Morgan: So you had an electrical engineer come out and what did he specifically

say?

Ms. Peacock: The construction documents have the panel. It has the loads. It shows what is on the panel and that actually went through the city. The city reviews it.  So what is out there you can keep out there. You don't have to do this upgrade. This upgrade is specifically if you want to combine all the utilities that you have out there.
Mr. Baldis: And have new, everything new.
Ms. Peacock: Yes, but if you wanted to keep what is there you can keep what is
there.
Mr. Kapish: You mentioned moving the electrical panel from where it is to behind the sign.
Mr. Baldis: That is something that I believe you can do. Mr. Kapish: What was that change order?
Ms. Peacock: We didn't get a change order for that.
Mr. Baldis: I am assuming that is what the $11,000 and all that.
Mr. Morgan: In this discussion Iwould say absolutely not because I don't know what we are talking about. You are assuming. You don't know. Chris wants new because he always wants new. Zaida and I are sitting here. I want to see somebody that can come in, either an engineer from you or you, and come and explain it to us, nuts and bolts, not I am assuming this and that. Before we spend maybe as much as $100,000 for the convenience of having an electrical box behind our wall instead of 100 yards down the street. Does this make sense what we are talking about?
Ms. Karnegis: I think we need to look at the long run of the money. We have to look
, at exactly what it is going to cost. If it is only $8,000 to fix the new box and then that is it and maybe it will last 20 years, that is efficient. Now we also need to make sure that what we have and you said the engineer has already approved to run the waterfalls. I can tell you in my personal experience I had waterfalls in my pool and it went through the city of Coral Springs. The engineers signed it off, to this day it has never worked because the power is not sufficient.  We have to come up with extra money after that to upgrade it and it still doesn't work. I am going back to personal experience that if the engineer is saying yes, it is there it will work, we hope it will because we don't want to come back and sit here and again discuss about we need to upgrade this.  That is what we need to do is make
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sure that what we have is sufficient.  We really don't need to spend more money if it is fine. It may be 20 more years that it will last us before we upgrade that box again.
Mr. Kapish: I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. Nobody is approving anything. That is why I asked for the additional information so we can look at that. FPL, I don't know if they go in there and tell you $25,000 and it is $100,000. That is a little absurd. There is no reason to get everybody excited about something that hasn't happened.
Mr. Morgan: We need to have specific information so that we can make an educated
option.
Mr. Zuccaro: I think what you guys should do is you have an electrical engineer that

designed  the  panel for  the  entry  wall  with  the  fountains,

have  him do a  report and

summarize the options and what he recommends.  That is his expertise.
Mr. Kapish: Here is what you need to do. You have to take it and put it in writing and have something that is going to say that this is sufficient to take care of this. If it is in writing and he is putting his name to it, sign off on electrical plans or however you make that legally happen so that we are stuck. There is two sides to this. There is a side of it that and has nothing to be with being new, it has to do with it being logically for something like Zaida said that with her experience for something that is going to last for many years. Going around putting patches on everything and patching our pavers every five minutes adds up to a lot of money.
Mr. Morgan: We don't know what FPL will charge. I do know this FPL is going to charge us upwards to $200,000 plus maybe to remove a bunch obsolete telephone poles in Turtle Run.
Mr. Kapish: I don't think so.
Mr. Morgan: Whatever the price is $125,000? Did Coral Springs ever get back to us with a number?
Mr. Baldis:  One second.
Mr. Morgan: I think our money could be better spent.  I am going to trust an engineer who says the current with an upgrade.  The powerlines under the ground are all going to be the same.  I want to talk to someone who specifically know what they are talking about.
Mr. Baldis: You are right.   The electrician should put it in writing that that is the
explanation.  If you upgrade, it will be fine.  If you leave the other thing, it will be fine.

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Ms. Peacock: I can also say we didn't have the engineer do all the calcs yet because we wanted to run it by you guys. It is going to come at an additional cost if he has to go and redesign the panel that is going back there.
Mr.  Morgan: So there is going to be additional costs to redesign the panels?
Ms. Peacock: It will be cost to him to add all the new equipment onto the panel and run the calcs, yes it will be a revision to the plans.
Mr. Morgan: Which wasn't included in the things you gave us tonight. Ms. Peacock: No, it wasn't.
Mr. Morgan: Do you have any idea what that would cost?
Ms. Peacock: I can't see it being more than a couple thousand. Not very high, it is just rerunning some calcs. It is something that we didn't have him do because it doesn't make sense. It is just here for discussion. It was presented to us by the contractor so we brought it to the Board.
Mr. Morgan: Skip what is your feeling on this?
Mr. Zuccaro: Iwill work with her and the engineering consultant and have him come up with a report.  He can analyze the different options.
Mr. Carney: I have you off mute now.  My opinion is that Dennis said multiple times it is good the way it is and it will work fine. Now we just need to get someone to tell us who knows what they are talking about to tell us it will work fine. If it is going to work fine, why are we messing with it?
Ms. Karnegis: It started out in what I heard was it is fine the way it is and this was just presented to us as an option. And everything since it is an option, that means that you should have already had from the engineer something in writing that this is what we are going to have, so I am kind of confused as to why we are going to go back to the engineer to ask him for additional information when we should already know that the engineer drew this and he is saying that it will work.  We can hold him responsible for that.
Mr. Kapish: What I am asking for is if he says it is fine to put that in writing. Ms. Karnegis: And it should be.
Ms. Peacock: It is on his documents.
Mr. Baldis: If it wasn't fine he would have changed it before it got here. That is him saying it is fine.

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Ms. Peacock: This was just something that was brought up to us in one of the meetings so we discussed it. In one of our construction meetings that was brought up so that is why this was presented to the Board.
Mr. Kapish: Ok let's move on. Everybody understand. Bob do you want to update some of our projects?
Mr. Zuccaro:  Jonathan do you want to sit here?
Mr. Geiger: Terrapin Lane, I spoke with Florida Blacktop today. They are still waiting on the engineering permit. It is in for zoning review which both myself and her found odd but Paul Carpenter actually gave me a call. He is the person reviewing it for zoning at Coral Springs and I guess they asked him to make sure it matches what the city commission approved with the license agreement. He just asked for a summary of what was different. I told him anything that changed was the pave marking and stripping. He said he should have no problem getting the plans back to where they need to go to the city to get them approved. I think he said by the end of the day he had them back over to the engineer/zoning bucket wherever they put these plans. I am going to follow-up with him tomorrow and the contractor to see where we are with that but I told them once they have permit we are pretty much ready to set a date for a preconstruction meeting. Hold that and get them underway and everything.  Any questions on Terrapin?
Mr. Baldis: When that gets approved, do we have any idea when. Florida Blacktop will start?
Mr. Geiger: I haven't spoken with them but I anticipate the start date, I can talk to Natalie tomorrow and ask if they are going to start right away or if they have any lead time they need to set up.
Mr. Baldis: That sounds like it could be reviewed rather quickly by Paul.
Mr. Geiger:  He just needed to check it for consistency with the license agreement. Mr. Baldis: So if he gives it his blessing then it is going to get approved.
Mr. Geiger: Yes. So if it gets approved tomorrow we hold a preconstruction meeting early next week I think would be the earliest.  They could start shortly after that.
Mr. Baldis: Very good.
Mr. Geiger: Creekside. I made the revisions based on the 12 foot lane we talked about.  I didn't bring them because it is exactly the same except that it is a 12 foot lane and 4 foot bike lane instead of 10 foot lane and a 4 foot bike lane.  I spoke with Jose our traffic
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engineer today, he is still waiting to try and get a little bit of additional information to do a report on his recommendations on whether or not to close or not close that left turn lane. He just needs more time on that. He thinks he may have to do additional counts. The city didn't seem to have a lot of information for him. The County did seem to do the counts that he would need to do his justification.  He did caution that they can't do counts until school is back in session normally so that wouldn't be until August or September but then with the construction going on Terrapin. Worst case scenario is he may need to do some more counts to get an official yes or no answer.
Mr. Baldis: Well if the County said yes and the City is saying yes.
Mr. Geiger: The County said yes to a pilot program. The city approached them with Turtle Run would like to make a permanent improvement. The County said ok. The City needs to provide us with the justification for that. The City said Turtle Run would like the solution implemented so Turtle Run you need to provide us with the statement. There has been no determination that a permanent solution, there has never been a permanent solution suggested by either the County or the City.  It has always been a pilot program.
Mr. Baldis: Ok. What did they do? -Do you know what they did to come up with that they thought they needed a pilot program.
Mr. Geiger: I want to say they did a signal warrant study and they said it does not warrant a signal so the next step for the County was to put delineators in. That was their solution.
Mr. Baldis: Why were they looking at that?
Mr. Zuccaro: Ithink because of all the accidents. Mr. Baldis: So doesn't that warrant the change?
Mr. Geiger: No because the study they did for the signal they didn't take into account right turns off Creekside Drive onto Turtle Creek Drive which what Jose our traffic guy needs to analyze to be able to say yes, you can cut that left through lane off. They have all the volume of the traffic, left and through. Him not having the right turn doesn't give him any information on how bad the backup is going to be on the right turn. How much traffic is going to be created?  What your level of service you are going to get.
Mr. Baldis:  So you are saying that this is something that the City and County want
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Mr. Geiger: Yes. When I spoke with Paul, after we spoke he said he needed a report from a traffic engineer recommending that left turn be closed off permanently.
Mr. Baldis: And that is part of having the recommendation.
Mr. Geiger: That is what he needed with my plan. He needed plans and he needed a recommendation with a report study basically. Jose has been talking with  him and Carmelo anyways so he is aware of what they are looking for.
Mr. Baldis: Can the project start? Mr. Geiger: Creekside?
Mr. Baldis: Yes.
Mr. Geiger: Down the road if you want to expand that median that shouldn't be an
issue.
Mr. Baldis: I want to see if we can start now and then if there is a change order in August whenever school starts, they can do it then.
Mr. Geiger: Absolutely. As long as those are the plans if that is what the Board would like to do, let's move on and have Stanford submit everything. Then if we do get the approval, we do the change order.  It is the one side of the median.  As long as it is not by
the time they have already paved. Then it is a little bit more obviously.  Get it earlier enough then it should be ok.	Paul did mention too with a big change like that, he didn't know
whether  we would  have to go back to city commission  approval  because  now we are

changing the plans.  Any questions on that?

Turtle Creek flag poles, I spoke to Gary at

Adams Electric.  He told me that they were looking for value engineering

on

the light fixtures to try and bring the cost down a little bit. What they were value engineering with was slightly less money. He didn't see a cost savings in terms of quality versus what you are spending. He said as of now his quote is still coming in at $16,300 for the electrical work. Again that is half of what Stanford's quote was for the just the electrical work. He was waiting on something from for one of the light fixtures, the ETA on when they would be available and all that to make sure the price was firm but he hasn't sent me an official quote estimate yet. I told him as soon as he gets that finalized send it over. He is holding firm to this price, the $16,300. So I figured the direction would probably be to just have Stanford go ahead and contact and that was going to be my question Stanford also asked. If we switched to Adams Electric for the flagpoles, is the District contracting with him directly or does he have to go through Stanford for everything?
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Mr. Baldis: Going through Stanford.
Mr. Geiger: Ok so we are going to do it that way ok.  I will have Stanford get in touch with him then.
Mr. Zuccaro:  So, it is about half of what Stanford had in his quote.

Mr. Geiger: Correct.

Other than that, I am still waiting on survey information for a

couple of the other things.  They told me the office work is finishing up on a lot of the wall projects we have been doing.
Mr. Kapish: What about lot 55 and 56?
Mr. Geiger: That is part of what I am waiting on.  I am waiting on the updated survey on that.   Lots 1 through 4.  The track E wall and then they still owe me the Turtle Creek

pathway survey.

They had a lot of field work to get done between that stuff and the field

work for all of those walls.
Mr. Baldis: So, we don't have this yet.
Mr. Geiger: They said it is just getting QAQC at this point so Ishould have that within about a week or two hopefully.
Mr. Kapish:  What is QAQC?
Mr. Geiger: Quality Assurance Quality Control. The surveyor will not give me files until PMS has looked at them and made sure everything is right. That is once I get that survey I should be able to get it into the city within a week. The turnaround on most of these projects I am just waiting on a survey and O&E reports. Then I should be able to go as soon as I request a check and get it, I should be able to go right down to the city. There is about four or five of them that I should be able to turn in right away minus Bob having the QAQC stuff.
Mr. Kapish: Dennis did you check with that lot 57?
Mr. Geiger: That was the one easement we didn't have, correct?
Mr. Kapish: They supposedly sent it to a bank.  I don't know where, when or why? Mr. Baldis: What is the name on it?  Montague?
Mr. Kapish: I think that is it.
Mr. Baldis: I have given them all the information they needed.
Mr. Kapish: I know but what did they do with it.  Did they send it off to the bank?
Mr. Baldis: Yes, it is moving along.  They turned it into the bank and they are waiting on the bank. The same with Brown.  I spoke with her today.  She is expecting to have hers
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no later than the end of the week. She is saying any day now. I am saying by the end of the week just because that is kind of how it always works out. Then you will have those right there that will all be done by this week.
Mr. Kapish: If that is true then that should be the first section we will be doing.
Mr. Geiger: That and the one across the street I can probably do. If I get those at the same time.
Mr. Baldis: You will have three of these. This one is ours and I spoke with her this morning. She is saying any day. I am saying the end of the week, she is saying the next two days.
Mr. Geiger: I have to check when I get back to the office. I don't know if I ever got recorded copies of those four. I guess that is a question for Mike, right?
Mr. Baldis: I am not sure if he recorded them yet. I know he was waiting to do them all at once.
Mr. Geiger: I am going to need the recorded easements when I turn the stuff in for
DRC.
Mr. Baldis:  That doesn't take long.
Mr. Kapish:  Have you started the plans for Tortoise Way?
Mr. Geiger: I do not have the survey for that either yet. A lot of the surveys I requested for Turtle Run, they are coming in slowly but the wall ones I asked for first so that is going to come to me first. Tortoise Way I asked for after so I know they finished the field work on that last week. That is going to take a little more effort. It is a little more intensive of a survey then some of this wall stuff. That is going to be the next thing I focus on as soon as I get a survey to sit down.
Mr. Kapish:  We also asked you guys for a drawing for the additional fence.
Mr. Geiger: The split rail fence. I did send those to Dennis. There were a couple of options. Unfortunately, I do not have any printed out. I don't know if you can pull them up on your email.
Mr. Baldis: I need copies to send to Superior Concrete. That is what I need.
Mr. Geiger: I emailed you there is a couple different options depending on where that wall falls on lot 55 and 56 whether it is in the FPL easement or it is in that guys lawn. Then that guy does have his own fencing in his lawn there.
Mr. Baldis: Where are we talking about?
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Mr. Geiger: 55 and 56 here.
Mr. Baldis:  You have this one, the big long one. Mr. Geiger: It is all in the same plans.
Mr. Baldis: They are planning on coming and I need to get something to them so they know.  I have to have an exhibit for them.
Mr. Kapish: We also need a pricing to charge per linear foot.
Mr. Geiger:   With it by the path there, all the way to the end of that lake there? Because the markup that I have, it only goes to the end of where the loop of the path starts.
Mr. Kapish: No down to here.
Mr. Geiger: Ok it takes me two seconds to change it on the plans. There is nothing in that area. Ijust have to run the fence straight, that is all. I will give you an update of the linear footage on that then too.
Mr. Zuccaro:  When you did get that done, can you give them the email to Superior Concrete?  Do you need hard copies of the plans?
Mr. Baldis: I need a drawing to show him so he knows where he is going. Mr. Zuccaro:  You emailed it right?
Mr. Geiger: I emailed a couple of options.
Mr. Baldis: We went over this at the last meeting. The Board said where the fence goes.  It goes from here to here, then from here to the wall.
Mr. Geiger: I need to know how to address it connecting to the existing wall.
Mr. Baldis: We talked about it at the last meeting. Wherever the column is that is where the fence comes out. Then it was going to taper, am I right Chris?  It wasn't going to jog, it was going to be a gradual taper. That is what we talked about at the last meeting.
Mr. Geiger: I was not aware that was a confirmed decision on the gradual taper
there.
Mr. Baldis: That is what we left the meeting at last time.  That was my impression.
That is what I thought we were going to have.
Mr. Geiger:  Are you going to have them end the wall like the split rail fence where the wall might go in the FPL easement behind lot 55?
Mr. Baldis: By the time we get to lot 55 I have fencing to go all over the place.  If we
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to give  to  them  and  say this  many  linear feet  in this  location.	You  can  make field adjustments.
Mr. Kapish: They are probably going to come back another time. Mr. Baldis: I am sure.
Mr. Kapish: They have been here once.  We also have these gates we have to fix. Mr. Baldis: That is why Iwant to get them here and get moving.
Mr. Geiger: I can send you a revised copy of what I sent you.
Mr. Baldis: I want to have enough work to keep them here and not piecemeal everything. I still have to go through all the Turtle Run Shoppes and get everyone to sign off on all those easements over there for the fence.
Mr. Geiger: I can send you that tomorrow. That will be like a five minute thing for me to fix.
Mr. Kapish: Ok anything else?
Mr. Geiger: Not on my list. The only other update I have is I guess Rohl is on hold with the streetlights.
Mr. Baldis: Yes.   We are not installing anymore additional streetlights at this time. I didn't know if the rest of the Board members know that because the original plan was to have them come. The decision was made not to have them come now until we are ready with Terrapin Lane so they can do them all. There won't be any additional poles until they are ready there.
Mr. Kapish: Anything else?
Mr. Geiger: That is all I have.  I think Bob, you sent out that letter today.
Mr. Zuccaro: On Forest Glen, the wall, I sent the letter today to Sheldon Riels responding to Ms. Brown's letter of December rebutting all of the comments that they made. Also, I cited some of the other things that we talked about in our meetings here of what the District would be willing to do to make that happen and to request an onsite meeting with them. I copied Shawn Cera so he has it.
Mr. Kapish: Ok.
Mr. Zuccaro: Iwent out today. I am going to send a package tomorrow but I got the letter.  I have a copy of the letter right here.
Mr. Kapish: Actually, if you did that, you should copy Laurie Aldofi, she is on the school board.
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Mr. Zuccaro: Who is she?
Mr. Kapish:  She is a relatively new member of the school board.  She got elected

last year.

If you go to the school board website you will find her.

Mr. Zuccaro: I copied you and Dennis and Shawn Cera.
Mr. Kapish: If you want to copy this phone number for her, 609-335-8226.   Maybe she may want to give her private email.
Mr. Zuccaro: Ok I will call her.  That is it.

SEVENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS

Presentations and Consideration of Proposals

A. AVS
B.	lnnuvo, Inc.
C.	Wausau Tile/Tectura Designs

Mr. Kapish:  Number 7, Marc is not here.   We have Wausau Tile here. Mr. Baldis:  That is correct.  Keith from Wausau, Keith Beck.
Mr. Kapish: We have Wausau Tile's product. It has served us well but it is getting old and we are trying to refurbish things. We are also going to make some changes and put a logo on the back or front of it, something like that.
Mr. Beck: These are the weather stone colors. Typically, you would buy brick red weather stone which is what was bought in the past. I put it in brick red weather stone and also grey weather stone with blue.
Mr. Kapish: What color do we have currently? Mr. Beck: Brick red weather stone.
Mr. Morgan: It has probably faded quite a bit.  It looks more brownish then reddish.
He is saying that is our current color.  It looks like this almost.
Mr. Baldis: It has been out there a long time. Mr. Beck: The brick red will fade out over time.
Mr. Kapish: What is the difference between this and this?
Mr. Beck: This is the acid wash.  It has more of a smooth texture. Mr. Kapish: So, it would probably hold up better?
Mr. Beck: Believe it or not for a bench, the weather stone is much better. Mr. Kapish: Ok.
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Mr. Morgan: What are these here? Mr. Beck: This is for tabletops.
Mr. Kapish:  And these are for garbage cans? Mr. Beck: Yes.
Mr. Morgan:  These two choices are benches, garbage can or tabletop  if we had

tables.

Mr. Kapish: What does this do for the container?
Mr. Beck:  It is just the look.  The weather stone finish holds up really well.  I know you mentioned the City of Deerfield Beach, they have grey weather stone with blue glass.
Mr. Baldis: They have blue glass in the red weather stone. Mr. Beck:  City of Deerfield has grey weather stone.
Mr. Baldis: The glass is just to give a little more....
Mr. Beck: More of a look.  You can actually see the blue flecks in it with the weather stone finish.  It gives it more of a rich look, gives it more sparkle.
Mr. Kapish:  So, what do you need on the logo work?  Do you have everything that you need?
Mr. Beck: Dennis sent me a rendering we could do. I think we decided on just doing the turtle so we could do the turtle in six colors. What we will do is we will do a drawing. In the drawing we do a takeoff of it and bring it for approval. We will do your turtle with six colors and it will be cast directly into the bench.
Mr. Baldis: Can you explain the difference between the two methods of putting the logo on.
Mr. Beck:  This one right here is the plexiglas.  It is actually % inch plastic.  Those are actually bolted on here.  The cast logo it is actually recessed, it is cast into the bench.
Mr. Morgan:  The Deerfield has a circle around it and then the cast rising out of it.
It that how the turtle would be?
Mr. Beck: Yes, it would just like that.
Mr. Morgan: It would be maybe a circle.  This would be all cut away and this would be raised out a little bit.
Mr. Beck: We could do it that way or we could just do the turtle itself or we could do a circle and that turtle in the middle, something like that.
Mr. Kapish: What is it made out of?
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Mr. Beck: It is solid concrete.
Mr. Morgan: The turtle would be cast into the concrete but how would you distinguish it. Would the concrete come right up to the turtle or would you cut away a little bit like this is cut away from here to here.
Mr. Beck: We could do it that way or we could just it cast it directly. You could do a circle around it and then the turtle directly into it.  I could have renderings done.
Mr. Morgan: Could you have a rendering of each way? Mr. Beck: Yes.
Mr. Baldis: Wasn't there a problem getting a colored rendering?
Mr. Beck:  Our policy is we don't do renderings until we get a purchase order. Mr. Morgan: We know we want the turtle, we just don't know which one.
Mr. Baldis: He is saying he wants an order for the benches before they will do a rendering. I thought we would want to see the rendering before we would place the order. Mr. Beck: We won't do anything until it is approved. We can show different options.
Mr. Kapish: That is grey weather stone with blue glass that bench.
Mr. Morgan: Now this bench in Deerfield, they have the logo on the inside where you sit.  You want it on the backside right Chris, or no.
Mr. Kapish: No, I thought the inside was fine.
Mr. Morgan: I think the inside is better personally. Mr. Baldis: I like the Deerfield bench.  It is nice.
Mr. Morgan: If this is the inside of the bench, this turtle would have maybe a circle around it and cut away so it would really stand out. Otherwise it is just cast into the bench. My only concern would be it wouldn't be really distinguishable if the concrete was right up to the turtle. You would just have kind of like a painted turtle. There needs to be some cut away and a design of a circle or square or something so it would be cut away a little bit like the Deerfield sign so you can distinguish the figure coming out. If it is all level you are just going to have a painted turtle.
Mr. Kapish: It will be recessed. Mr. Beck: Yes.
Mr. Kapish: Is the circle itself, is that a different material?

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Mr. Beck:  It is concrete. Basically, this would be recessed here. Recessed probably
% inch with these pieces painted.  The pieces will be outlined.  You will see the different outlines of the turtle.
Mr. Morgan: Is that the only way is you recess it or is there a way to recess around it and have the turtle stick out,  the same level that the concrete is sticking out.
Mr. Kapish: You said it is hand-painted, then you put a sealer on it. Mr. Beck: Yes, it is sealed.
Mr. Kapish: So, when the bench fades, the logo can fade.
Mr. Beck: The disadvantage of a cast logo is that over time you might have to repaint it. The Deerfield benches have been out there for close to ten years and they are still holding.
Mr. Kapish: I think ours are older than ten years.
Mr. Baldis: They have the grey and I am just going to say that the grey doesn't fade the way the red did.
Mr. Beck: That is correct.
Mr. Baldis: Can you repaint the red?
Mr. Beck: Not painted but they could be stained.
Mr. Morgan: Here is a diagram of how this is cut away.
Mr. Beck: Yes, that is basically what you would do with the turtle. Mr. Kapish:  Would a little color not fade as much?
Mr. Beck: Yes, the lighter colors do hold up better. Mr. Kapish:  The light color would be that tan.
Mr. Beck: These are a little bit more expensive but these are some other colors.

Any of

these colors here, the light colors, these hold real well.  This is a standard finish. Mr. Kapish: How about the sand, how does that hold up?
Mr. Beck: Holds up real well.
Ms. Karnegis: That is a pretty one.
Mr. Kapish:  If we are going to do all that, maybe we make the change in color a

little bit, make a noticeable change.
Mr. Morgan: Yes, I agree.
Mr. Beck: These four hold up really well.
Mr. Kapish: I think the tan would fit in the best.
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Mr. Morgan: Dennis did you do an inventory of how many benches it would be?
Mr. Baldis: I did but then we talked about going out there again and looking, I came up with 25 benches and 22 trash cans of what we have.
Mr. Kapish: Does that include the park?
Mr. Baldis: That is why there is so many when you get into the park, a lot of the trash cans are in there. There is more in the park then you think because they are spread out.  There is quite a few in there.
Mr. Kapish: How many benches as far as shipping goes obviously if it all fits on one truck, it is X amount of dollars. If it doesn't, then you are paying more in shipping or if it fits on half a truck and then you are wasting shipping right?
Mr. Beck: I have a quote here for 25 benches and 22 waste containers it was 53, 146 pounds so the truck is 44,000 pounds. It would be a truck and %. I have the total figured. Total freight for that amount of weight was $6,287.42.
Mr. Kapish: I would keep it to one truck so we are not wasting a quarter of truck. Mr. Beck:  It is all based on weight regardless of what you buy.
Mr. Kapish: The difference between this one and this one this doesn't have all that Aztec look to it.
Mr. Beck: Correct.
Mr. Morgan: You have the turtle logo here. Mr. Kapish: Is this a different price?
Mr. Beck: This one is more expensive.
Mr. Kapish: The same thing with the garbage receptacles that have that Aztec look
on it.
Mr. Beck: The ones I quoted didn't have that on there. Mr. Kapish:  This is what we have.
Mr. Beck:  The one I quoted was the TF 1165, round container with a dome top. Mr. Kapish: Can't you get this without this and just put a logo on it?
Mr. Beck:  We can make these without the band. What I quoted was this one here. Mr. Kapish: Yes, so the rain doesn't get into it.
Mr. Baldis: My concern is the lids on the garbage cans because they get ripped off. The metal people stole them for whatever reason. Then I have a can that looks damaged sitting there.  What I want to know is there a different lid that we had that isn't susceptible
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to being stolen and just blowing off. You are dealing with a bunch kids in the park and that is where it all happens.
Mr. Beck: The plastic dome lids hold up real well and are attached with a steel cable to the bottom so when you empty them you just hang it from the side.
Mr. Baldis: Maybe get a can at the park that is a little more park friendly then one out along the roadway where everyone is going to see it. The other ones had a cable on it and they ripped them off too.  They are just gone all of the sudden.
Mr. Beck: Probably because they were made out of aluminum. Mr. Baldis: Yes, they are taking them for scrap metal.
Mr. Morgan: There are several a year that get electrocuted by taking the copper from FPL poles.
Mr. Baldis: The last thing Lennar homes installs on new houses is the air conditioning.
Mr. Kapish: That is why they put the AC in cages.
Mr. Morgan: Chris do you want our line like this one or not? Mr. Kapish:  I think that is fine.
Mr. Morgan: The outer line and the turtle seal in the middle. Mr. Kapish: Yes.
Mr. Morgan: I have no problem moving forward with this. I mean we know we are going to do business with them. We have done business with them before. They are a reputable vendor. They are not going to go forward with production until we approve something.
Mr. Baldis: I wanted Keith to come here so he could explain everything to you. Mr. Kapish: To do a drawing ....
Mr. Beck: The drawing would be all in color.
Mr. Kapish: Ok I think the issues isn't if we are going to get the bench or the trash cans, the issue is whether we are going to like the design,  that is the issue.
Mr. Beck: We won't proceed with anything until it is approved. Mr. Kapish: How do we do that?
Mr. Beck: Basically, you just have to have an agreement or written agreement. Mr. Kapish:  Say we just ordered ten benches, start with that?
Mr. Beck: We are not going to produce anything until it is signed off on.
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Mr. Zuccaro: You can do a purchase order and then you do the rendering or do you need a deposit?
Mr. Beck: No, you don't have to do that.
Mr. Zuccaro: Just as long as they do a purchase order.
Mr. Beck: We don't manufacture anything until it is approved.

Mr.
everything approved.

Baldis:	Let the  Board decide what  they  want,  the  design, the  colors and
and you send me a proposal in an email and I will send it back to you that is You will have something  in writing.   Then he will do his rendering and then

proceed with picking the colors and getting the blessing on that.
Mr. Morgan: You want the turtle the same as the mailboxes correct? That type of turtle with those colors?
Mr. Kapish: Similar.
Ms. Karnegis: Actually, that green would go very well with this, better than this.
Mr. Kapish: Yes, it has a better background. Let me ask you about the bollards. We got two from you that basically they had a little bit of stem on the bottom. They got knocked over, pushed over.  Yes, something like that.
Mr. Morgan: The two by my neighborhood are still there. They were cemented in.
Mr. Kapish: Is there one that you could recommend that is really good or better than one or the other or something more durable?
Mr. Baldis: As far as bollards go, are you going to match the benches or do you want to match the new streetlighting because Mainnor sells bollards also. If they are going to be near the streetlighting, I am trying to say what do you want it to match?
Mr. Kapish: Actually, this sand color here, really the pole is between these two

colors.

Either one of these would  match the poles but  I think you are better off with

something like that.   I think Zaida is right, I think the turtle would look better with a sand

background  then what  we  have now, the  red stuff.
everything.

I think we  have already  covered

Mr. Baldis: So, we are going to start with the 25 benches and 22 cans. Mr. Morgan: Yes.
Mr. Baldis:  And what about the lids for the garbage cans?
Mr. Deck:  It will be dome lid and if you go with the sand you probably want to go with the brown top.
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Mr. Baldis: What is the material?
Mr. Beck: The top is made out of plastic. Mr. Baldis: Is that ok with you guys?
Mr. Morgan: Yes, you are only talking about a garbage can but the thing is if they are stolen or whatever, you can have them reordered.
Mr. Kapish: How much are the lids?
Mr. Beck:  The lids are around $38 to $42.
Mr. Kapish: Oh, ok so then if they are stolen not a big deal. Mr. Baldis:  Plastic ones.
Mr. Kapish:  That is the one that covers with the rain. Mr. Beck: Yes.  There will be a drain hole.
Mr. Kapish: I don't know who is going to want to steal a plastic garbage lid. You are you all the way in Lakeland?
Mr. Beck: Yes sir.
Mr. Kapish:  Is that the office for Florida? Mr. Beck: Yes, I cover Florida.
Mr. Morgan: You must drive a lot. Mr. Beck: Yes, I do.
Mr. Morgan: I think we have your direction.  Send Dennis a proposal with a couple of examples.  Give us a couple options and we will go from there.
Mr. Carney:  May  I add  something.  I have a question.  I am  having a  hard time keeping up with the conversation.  Do they have rain guards on them?
Mr. Beck: Yes, a plastic dome top. Mr. Carney: Ok thank you.
Mr. Kapish:  Ok we appreciate it.  Do you have a card? Mr. Beck: Yes.
Mr. Kapish: You are saying the one with the aggregate holds up better. Mr. Beck: The one with the aggregate holds really well also.
Mr. Baldis: Do you have one with the blue glass in it? Mr. Beck: I don't have a sample.
Mr. Zuccaro: How much more is that with blue glass? Mr. Beck: The blue glass raises it 75%
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Mr. Zuccaro:  Wow.
Mr. Beck: It is pretty but it is more expensive.  It gives it a totally different look with the glass.  Unfortunately, recycled glass is not cheap.
Mr. Morgan: What we have here people put cigarettes out on and then they write their names on them. They use black magic marker to draw obscene gestures on. We don't want benches that cost $10,000. We want benches that cost a reasonable amount of money because if it's destroyed, we throw it away and get a new one. See how that works.
Mr. Beck: I can send you some more samples. Mr. Kapish:  This is W22?
Mr. Beck: Yes, sand weather stone.
Mr. Baldis:  How many benches?  25 benches and 22 garbage cans. Mr. Kapish: Does that fit on one truck?
Mr. Beck: No truck and %.
Mr. Kapish: Ok Keith we appreciate you coming all the way down.
Mr. Morgan:  If you send it and Dennis works it out, how soon can we expect it? Mr. Beck: The benches, it takes us six weeks to make them.
Mr. Morgan: Ok.
Mr. Baldis: Ok send me the email, appreciate it.
Ms. Steinerts:  Do you anticipate voting on this at the next meeting or taking action
today?
Mr. Kapish: Just discussion today. Ms. Steinerts: Wait for the proposals.
Mr. Morgan: We don't have a price yet.  Did they give you a price? Mr. Baldis: Yes.
Mr. Morgan: We could do a not to exceed Chris.
Mr. Baldis: The only thing I don't know is what you just discussed is the exact thing on this quote.  I can tell you what it was.  It obviously is a different color.  It is 84 x 24  x 36
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gallon  plastic  liner,  12 inch  cast  logo six  colors  for  that.
$41,352.42.

It came  out  with  shipping

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Mr. Morgan: I think we should do it next meeting and once we approve the logo that gives us two weeks for you guys to send the logos out to us. Then we can vote on it next meeting and put it right into production.
Mr. Kapish: What is the trash can Westlake Series?
Mr. Baldis: Yes. Westlake is the bench. The garbage can is a TF 1165 dome waste container. He is going to send that to me in the morning.
Mr. Kapish: I was just saying I didn't know what kind of diameter it was. Those are pretty big and I was thinking about if you wanted to make them a little slimmer, shave a few inches off.
Mr. Morgan: These are 26 x 44. These are 24. So, you are cutting 2 inches in diameter. These are a little bit smaller. It is the same can right here. You can get that can with that lid.
Mr. Kapish: It is just an idea because you are having those cans take up a lot of
room.
Mr. Baldis: They are also easier to tip over the smaller they are. Mr. Kapish: Well this says 420 lbs.
Mr. Baldis: Remember the turtle we had to cement in because the kids keep flipping
him.
Mr. Kapish: Ok just an idea. We will move on.

EIGHTH ORDER OF BUSINESS

Consideration

of

Engagement

Letter with Grau & Associates to perform the Audit for Fiscal Year ending September 30, 2019
Mr. Kapish:  Consideration of engagement letter with Grau & Associates to perform the audit for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2019.
Mr. Baldis: We went through all that last meeting.  This is more or less giving your approval.
Ms. Steinerts: You approved Grau & Associates at the last meeting and today would be just the approval of the engagement letter that is in front of you.
Mr. Kapish: Is there any discussion or questions that anybody might have?

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Staff Reports

NINTH ORDER OF BUSINESS

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Attorney
Engineer - Approval of Change Orders Field Manager

Manager	-	Discussion	of Commission on Ethics

Financial	Disclosure	Report	from

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Mr. Baldis: I just have a couple of things for you to consider. I have two proposals from BrightView for you tonight to consider. One is to cut back the preserve where the new sign is here. All this area in here to clean this out and cut it back. That is for $2,500 to clean up that area behind the sign of brush and trees hanging over and trash, whatever else is back there.
Mr. Kapish: What is he doing, is it itemized?
Mr. Baldis: Cut back preserve area behind Sample Road entrance, that is what he has in there. That is what we talked about in the field, just cut everything back. We will be there to make sure he cuts back everything we want. Clean it up. This slopes pretty good all through there but just to open it up is basically what we are doing.
Mr. Kapish: Ok so you need a motion on that?
Mr. Baldis: Please.

Mr. Baldis:  The other proposal I have is for the picture I just put up on the screen.
It is for the landscaping of the new Estates sign.
Mr. Morgan:  Very nice.  Are those maples behind it?
Mr. Kapish: Yes.   It might be the only tree that they allow because there are new rules about the powerlines.
Mr. Morgan: Maples are nice trees.

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On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Ms. Karnegis with all in favor, accepting the proposal from BrightView in the amount of $2,500 to clean up and cut back the preserve area behind Sample Road entrance on the west side of Turtle Run Boulevard was approved.

On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Ms. Karnegis with all in favor, accepting the engagement letter with Grau & Associates to perform the audit for fiscal year ending September 30, 2019 was approved.

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Mr. Baldis: There is two maple trees, and pringle podocarpus.
Mr. Kapish: This is the pringle podocarpus where it stays small. These are just flowers and the grass comes up to here. There is no reason to cover this up at all. These are clumps of different cedars. They are going to be different heights that are going to be maintained. They are not going to be allowed to grow. This whole thing is going to be neat and kept neat just like our main entrance signs.  Again, those are two maples behind it.
Mr. Morgan: It looks very nice. Are you going to put St. Augustine grass back or are you going to put the other kind?
Mr. Kapish: St. Augustine grass. We just need, there is that box here and he just needs to, I don't know if you are going out there today.  Did you see it?
Mr. Baldis: Iwas not out there today.
Mr. Kapish: He cut this all fine except he needs to go over here because over here it is like a hump and then it just drops off. He needs to go like 15 to 20 feet this way and scrape it and bevel it so it doesn't look like a drop off.
Mr. Morgan: The box is right here and he scraped a little bit on the south side of the box, do you think he needs to go further?  Can you see it from the sidewalk or not?
Mr. Kapish: He could go a little closer to the sidewalk. He doesn't have to go to the sidewalk.
Mr. Baldis: That box is going to be removed.
Mr. Kapish:  I know, that is why I am not worried about it.  It is good enough. Mr. Baldis: So, the price for that is $4,359.20.
Mr. Kapish:  For the landscaping? Mr. Baldis: Yes.
Mr. Morgan: And that includes the sod and irrigation? Mr. Baldis: It does not include the irrigation.
Mr. Kapish: Does it include the sod?
Mr. Baldis: One second.  It does not include sod.
Mr. Kapish: He told me that the shipping on the cedar is coming from either northern Florida or Georgia.  That is $1,000.  Does that show that on there?
Mr. Baldis: Not is it not itemized. It is a bulk number with the description. Each line item does not have a number. It is a bulk number for those. I can ask him to itemize it. He should.
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Mr. Kapish: How much is that? Mr. Baldis: $4,359.20.
Mr. Kapish: Ok what we can do is make a motion and have it not to exceed that
price and find out that information and send it to all the Board members.

Mr. Kapish: Anything else Dennis?
Mr. Baldis: No sir. That is it for this evening.
Mr. Kapish: What we need to do is we need to make sure that the cameras are here next meeting.
Mr. Baldis: He will be here on the 29th. Mr. Morgan: Who is that?
Mr. Baldis: Marc Jara.
Mr. Kapish: Ijust want to take care of this stuff, get this stuff going.

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TENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS
Mr. Kapish: Skip do you have anything? Mr. Carney: Nothing thank you.
Mr. Kapish: Zaida?
Ms. Karnegis: Nothing. Mr. Kapish: Lance?

Supervisor Requests

Mr. Morgan: Yes, I have a couple of things.   Skip are you going to be at the next meeting do you know?
Mr. Carney:  What is the date? Mr. Baldis: 29th_
Mr. Carney: I will let Dennis know, we may have to go back to Alabama.
Mr. Morgan: I will be out of town that Monday also.  Iwon't be returning till Tuesday.
Mr. Carney: When I get back I have to figure it out because Darryl has a couple of offers, one at Tennessee and one at Alabama, so we may have to go up there.

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On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Ms. Karnegis with all in favor, accepting the proposal from BrightView with a not to exceed amount of $4,359.20 for Landscaping for Estates sign was approved.

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Mr. Morgan: Ok.  Just trying to give Dennis some insight on the next meeting. Mr. Carney: Ok thanks I will do my best.
Mr. Morgan: The only other thing is out of all the projects we have ever done we have change orders. Sometimes the change orders are tens, twenty, or thirty thousand dollars. I mean it is amazing how many change orders we have.  We have electric, yes in a perfect world maybe we would have all new electric but if fixing the old electric for $8,000 is going to do the job and it is going to run perfectly, that is a great option too. Just some similar math here, if we update the electric for $8,000 the $50,000 we save pays for the benches. This money is coming from somewhere. If we spend, we need to watch our pennies and our nickels sometimes to make sure our money stretches to do all the things we want to do.
Mr. Kapish: That is why I want to clarify that.
Mr. Morgan: I don't know that is a viable option to upgrade it and it is going to provide the electric that we want but if the engineer confirms the fact that money we save there pays for the benches.
Mr. Kapish: There is too many unanswered questions. Mr. Morgan: Yes.
Mr. Kapish: I think a couple of questions were asked and then it came back that you can do this, this or this and it wasn't clarified completely.  That caused the confusion.
Mr. Morgan: That is all I have. Thank you.
Mr. Kapish: Idon't have anything. Can we get those, I know they were Rohl's, those concrete things that they were going to hang the equipment on. Can't they just pick those up and get those out of here?  It looks like a storage lot.
Mr. Baldis: I can get rid of them.
Mr. Kapish: Oh ok. Whatever the case may be. Also have we checked on the poles that are being stored? There has been no funny business over there right?
Mr. Baldis: I check them all the time. That was one of my concerns. I was hoping to get those installed.  The longer they sit there, the more nervous I get.
Mr. Kapish: Ok. Again, the other thing with Stanford is trying to get that pathway done that needs to get done, whatever you guys can do to speed it up.
Mr. Geiger: I will call them tomorrow. If they have something for me. It literally is designed, I just need the updated survey or the city won't even consider looking at it.
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Mr. Kapish: Ok I don't have anything else.
Mr. Morgan: I have one more thing. The brick paver walkway underneath the power lines at Passive Park. That has really been a big success. Everybody on this website called Next Door, they are praising it. The wildlife is coming back. It really looks good. Everybody did a good job as a team, the engineers, the paving company did a real good job and a lot of people are using it. They are really happy with it. The landscaping Dennis, those trees need to be replaced that died so whenever you get a chance to do that.
Mr. Baldis: Also, just so you know, there is a question out there when they do put the light bulbs in the height of the poles, the ones we are using aren't permitted out there. Too tall.  So, we are probably going to have to order a different pole for out there.
Mr. Geiger: I was going to say the same pole design you guys use they do sell in bollards if that is an alternative. You can consider lighting bollards along there, then you might be able to have more of them. They are smaller but they come in the same design that your current light poles are.
Mr. Kapish: You can just order a short pole, right?
Mr. Baldis: Yes. I thought the idea Lance had that if that wasn't on all the time that there was a switch or something or a motion detector or timer. You just need a shorter pole to get it approved.
Mr. Kapish: Here is the thing.  I understand what you are saying but then we have a street and we have lamp poles underneath the powerlines.
Mr. Geiger: It is not specifically the powerlines on the street, it is the FPL easement. You guys signed an agreement with FPL that says specifically no outdoor lighting over 14 feet and nothing with a light fixture at all.  That is the other problem.
Mr. Kapish:  When you say FPL easement.
Mr. Geiger: Specifically, the consent agreement you guys signed is only for the FPL easements.
Mr. Kapish: This is the FPL easement and let's go up over here and this roadway.
There is a pole right here and a pole right here and they are all under the powerlines.
Mr. Geiger: Yes. You are correct. If FPL has an issue with that, I think it is within their right to remove it what it comes down to.
Mr. Kapish: I bet there is covert lamps underneath there too. Mr. Morgan: What is the problem with getting a 14 foot pole?
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Mr. Geiger:  Your fixture is about 4 feet so you are going to have to get about a ten foot pole.  They are about 20 feet with the fixture on them.
Mr. Morgan: Ok.
Mr. Kapish: Ok so it will look like elf lighting out there.
Mr. Morgan: We don't have to put anything out there if we don't want to. Mr. Kapish: You don't have to.
Mr. Morgan: Did we run electric out there Dennis? Mr. Baldis: Not yet.
Mr. Morgan: Then we don't have to anything.  Just leave it for a daylight attraction.
It is a passive park.
Mr. Baldis: You may be better off doing that. Mr. Morgan: Yes, we may be.
Mr. Kapish: At least a bollard fixture might be good.  One or two of those.  Mainnor may have bollards that match those.
Mr. Geiger: Actually, in the catalog you guys ordered the pole out of, on the same page is a lighted bollard in the same design.
Mr. Kapish: Ok then that solves that problem. Ok nothing else we just need a motion
to adjourn.

ELEVENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS

Adjournment

On MOTION by Mr. Morgan seconded by Ms. Karnegis with all

in favor

e meeting was adjourned.

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